Once again, it's my opinion VS yours.
You think that you CAN'T overtour, and I say you can.
I am certainly in agreement that being on 5 tours a year will eventually have a positive impact on CD sales. I just still think that if you are a mediocre band (which many of the bands in this category are, and I am being VERY generous here), you will be "that band"
Of course I have been part of this conversation for 20 pages. It doesn't mean that I give a rat's ass if you ever see my side of things. Primarily I am replying because a lot of words are being placed into mouths, and many are being accused by using (god forbid on the Prog Power forum) PERSONAL opinion from their own experience.
You guys throw out your randomly selected data to "back it up" and attack people here who actually think for themselves, and go to shows, and buy CDs.
Sure, your perspective of things is different than mine because you have $$$$ on the line for a lot of bands which may eventually fall into the category I speak of, so you might take it a bit more personal. Fair enough. I think any band, promoter, or manager definitely should NOT shrug off feedback of anyone who goes to shows or purchases music. Finally, I know I am just one fan, so you can easily make a comment like, "Well, who cares if you don't go to the show", or "You may not have gone anyway" The problem I see here though is that I am giving you many reasons why I would skip over bands in this category. As a businessman myself, the biggest issue I have is these bands just want to play in front of anyone and everyone, but fail to work on retention.
And yes, that is MY personal belief, opinion, statement, whatever............
But you still have not defined overtouring!!!
How much touring is overtouring? 4 tours a year? 5? One show in a selected market every month? Every two months?
What the hell is it?
What's wrong with being "that band" if it's having a positive impact on your CD sales?
Nobody is being attacked for drawing from personal experience. People are saying that using your one personal experience as a benchmark for the entire metal scene are wrong. And they are.
Once again, you play the victim. Claus, Aeonic, and I aren't thinking for ourselves. We're mindless sheep! The only ones who are thinking for themselves are the ones in the minority.
God forbid somebody thinks for themselves and comes to a different conclusion than you.
I have a differing opinion than you and I don't have $$$ on the line for these bands. I buy albums, go to shows, run an FM metal radio show, etc. Does that make my opinion more valid than yours? No. I suppose yours is more valid than mine though, as you are "thinking for yourself" and I obviously am not.
The problem is you are expecting everyone who attends shows and listens to metal to think the same way as you. They don't. They don't think the same way as me, either. There isn't one set mindset in music. People have different reasons for attending concerts and listening to bands. Would you have the same opinion about 'overtouring' if Manilla Road was the band in question? Or Candlemass? Or Novembers Doom?
Probably not, because they are 'quality', and like you've claimed many times, "quality always prevails." It doesn't. That's why bands like Born of Osiris, Bring Me the Horizon, and The Devil Wears Prada are currently selling out venue after venue after venue and Novembers Doom still lies in relative obscurity.
How do you know they aren't working on retention? I don't hear any of my friends talking up Blackguard. But I also realize that my friends talk up bands like Enslaved, Autopsy, and Watain. I don't know people who like the Blackguard style of metal. Doesn't mean they don't exist.
I can't think of many people I know who enjoy U2. Does that mean U2 doesn't have fans? That they don't work on retention?
No. Different crowds. I don't know everybody in the world.
Same thing applies to Blackguard.
Almost each time they've come through they've had more crowd participation, people headbanging, etc. At the recent Nevermore show, I was blown away when I walked in during the middle of their set. The place was going nuts for them!
So much for "that band."
For the record, I think they blow.
What life is THIS then???????????????????
