Dragons_Kin
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Dont forget about Kerry wanting an additional 50 cent tax increase on gas. How can he bitch about the price of gas when he would vote to raise the tax on it himself. Kinda ironic don't ya think.SlappyWhitey said:
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jdelpi
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I'm all for tax cuts of more than 82 cents per day! (i.e. $300 per year. enough to buy a few nice things)
And slappy, why don't you just give your money to those kids on TV or send it back to the government with a note saying "I think you can spend this better than I can."? After all, you seem to think the United States government can solve the problems of world hunger.
And slappy, why don't you just give your money to those kids on TV or send it back to the government with a note saying "I think you can spend this better than I can."? After all, you seem to think the United States government can solve the problems of world hunger.
Maybe, Ill do that....they can use it to find the WMDs or feed an Iraqi............ Hell, they can put it towards the 150 billion American taxpayers have already spent over there. Shit, if we can create a true democracy in the Middle East, we sure as shit can solve world hunger while we are at it, right? Solving world hunger would make me feel as good as liberating the good people of Iraq.
i would also be for tax cuts if a) the economic theories that they rely on worked in reality and b) if the most brilliant exalted pious one did not find it necessary to spend i think 87$ billion on a war he started. where are the wmd's? i know there will always be conspiracy theories, but it is said that rummy was ready to attack iraq one 9/11/01. does it sound just a little that president bush came into office with that on his mind?
although i have to agree that if there were tax increases it wouldnt help too much, cuz a lot of the time the government fucks up spending it, but for example, former mayor guliani. people from NYC wouldnt even know about him, but he didnt cut taxes, and he actually did a lot to change the city into a better place. and no im not his campaign manager. granted theres a massive difference between a city and a country, but if the country could just get the right fucking guy in then the right fucking guy could actually do something.
anyone who advocates bush cuz of foreign policy...just dont go there. read that article the guy posted. and look at the world now. and of course the "real" altered numbers. damn, even in saudi arabia, whos supposed to be allies of the us, some guy got decapitated. id say theres antiamerican sentiment, no?
and of course seperation of church from state...even if he was doing great with everything else i would want to kill him for this. fuck, what right does he have to change the constitution so that he can be secure about his religious beliefs? i seriously don't understand how hes getting anywhere with this without getting the crap kicked out of him in congress. and i can honestly see him advocating prayer being a part of the public school schedule, and like the other guy said, banning anthrax and slayer for using pentacles (forget about extreme bands like Emperor, and Morbid Angel, them you go to jail for owning a poster, execution for possession of a cd), and funding religious schools, community centers, of HIS religion. if he had his way thats what he'd do.
although i have to agree that if there were tax increases it wouldnt help too much, cuz a lot of the time the government fucks up spending it, but for example, former mayor guliani. people from NYC wouldnt even know about him, but he didnt cut taxes, and he actually did a lot to change the city into a better place. and no im not his campaign manager. granted theres a massive difference between a city and a country, but if the country could just get the right fucking guy in then the right fucking guy could actually do something.
anyone who advocates bush cuz of foreign policy...just dont go there. read that article the guy posted. and look at the world now. and of course the "real" altered numbers. damn, even in saudi arabia, whos supposed to be allies of the us, some guy got decapitated. id say theres antiamerican sentiment, no?
and of course seperation of church from state...even if he was doing great with everything else i would want to kill him for this. fuck, what right does he have to change the constitution so that he can be secure about his religious beliefs? i seriously don't understand how hes getting anywhere with this without getting the crap kicked out of him in congress. and i can honestly see him advocating prayer being a part of the public school schedule, and like the other guy said, banning anthrax and slayer for using pentacles (forget about extreme bands like Emperor, and Morbid Angel, them you go to jail for owning a poster, execution for possession of a cd), and funding religious schools, community centers, of HIS religion. if he had his way thats what he'd do.
Dragons_Kin
Member
That's the whole problem right there. It will never happen because we all have diffrent opinons on how things should be done. This wonderful melting pot of ours is just too diversified to find a way to make everyone happy. I like diversity but there should be some common ground that we all can agree on for the betterment of this country or any other for that matter. I personaly like the bill of rights and the constitution and don't want to see it messed with ever. I do have a question though, why do liberals always have the "Proud to be an American" bumper stickers but want us to become more of a socolist socity? I personaly like doing for myself and don't want or expect the government to take care of me.coolsnow7 said:
Looks like Bush thinks the United States Government can alleviate world hunger too.......President George W. Bush announced he is setting aside $1 billion for a food fund to help alleviate world hunger, including $200 million in famine relief for the 30 million people in Africa facing starvation.
"Millions are facing great affliction, but with our help, they will not face it alone. America has a special calling to come to their aid and we will do so with the compassion and generosity that have always defined the United States," Bush said during his weekly radio address to the nation.
Bush said he would provide $100 million for an emergency fund to meet food needs and another $200 million to help mitigate famine in vulnerable developing countries. Bush said he would seek $1 billion to purchase food supplies or support farmers in food production.
The White House called famine a "completely preventable tragedy" and said the United States is the world's largest contributor of food relief, donating 52 percent of the total contributions to the U.N. Food Program's emergency operations. Bush said he is also asking Congress to commit $15 billion over the next five years to fight AIDS in Africa, beginning with $2 billion in 2004.
"We will encourage friends around the world to set up similar funds and leverage our combined resources to provide the most help to famine-stricken lands, Bush said Saturday. Hunger, he said, has left the continent more vulnerable to the effects of AIDS.
"Across the earth, America is feeding the hungry. More than 60 percent of international emergency food aid comes as a gift from the people of the United States," Bush said.
http://www.applesforhealth.com/GlobalHealth/busseebilw4.html
"Millions are facing great affliction, but with our help, they will not face it alone. America has a special calling to come to their aid and we will do so with the compassion and generosity that have always defined the United States," Bush said during his weekly radio address to the nation.
Bush said he would provide $100 million for an emergency fund to meet food needs and another $200 million to help mitigate famine in vulnerable developing countries. Bush said he would seek $1 billion to purchase food supplies or support farmers in food production.
The White House called famine a "completely preventable tragedy" and said the United States is the world's largest contributor of food relief, donating 52 percent of the total contributions to the U.N. Food Program's emergency operations. Bush said he is also asking Congress to commit $15 billion over the next five years to fight AIDS in Africa, beginning with $2 billion in 2004.
"We will encourage friends around the world to set up similar funds and leverage our combined resources to provide the most help to famine-stricken lands, Bush said Saturday. Hunger, he said, has left the continent more vulnerable to the effects of AIDS.
"Across the earth, America is feeding the hungry. More than 60 percent of international emergency food aid comes as a gift from the people of the United States," Bush said.
http://www.applesforhealth.com/GlobalHealth/busseebilw4.html
Correcting an inaccurate report, the State Department announced Tuesday that acts of terror worldwide increased slightly last year and the number of people wounded rose dramatically.
The department also reported a decline in the number of people killed to 625 from 725 during 2002. But in April, the department reported 307 people had been killed last year a much bigger decline.
The findings had been used by senior Bush administration officials to bolster President Bush's claim of success in countering terrorism.
Initially, 190 acts of terror were reported in 2003, a slight decrease from the 198 attacks reported for 2002. On Tuesday, the State Department said there were 208 acts of terror last year, a slight increase from 2002.
Thirty-five U.S. citizens died in international terror attacks last year. The deadliest incident was a suicide bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in May in which nine Americans were killed.
The report did not include U.S. troops killed or wounded in Iraq, or the incidents there, in its report "because they were directed at combatants." Attacks against civilians and unarmed military personnel were included.
A total of 3,646 people were wounded worldwide in terror attacks last year, the report said. This represented a sharp increase from the 2,013 wounded in 2002.
In April, the department had said that 1,593 people were wounded in 2003, a sharp decline from the previous year.
Secretary of State Colin Powell prepared to make a statement later Tuesday.
The initial report was issued April 28. On June 10, the State Department acknowledged the findings were inaccurate. Powell attributed the errors partly to a new data system and said there was no attempt to manipulate the figures to buttress Bush's argument.
When the report was issued, senior administration officials claimed that it showed Bush's counter-terror campaign was a success.
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the report was based "on the facts as we had them at the time. The facts that we had were wrong."
The April report said attacks had declined last year to 190, down from 198 in 2002 and 346 in 2001. The 2003 figure would have been the lowest level in 34 years and a 45 percent drop since 2001, Bush's first year as president. The department is now working to determine the correct figures.
Democratic Rep. Henry A. Waxman of California had challenged the initial findings. He said he was pleased that officials "have now recognized that they have a report that has been inaccurate, and based on the inaccurate information they tried to take self-serving political credit for the results that were wrong."
But Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., was sharply critical on Tuesday.
"Funny things happened on the way to the printer," he said. "Unfortunately, this is not the first, second, or third instance, for that matter, of a Bush Cabinet secretary having to rewrite a report from their own department."
Emanuel cited inaccurate reports on racial disparities in health care, misleading estimates of the Medicare prescription drug bill and the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed mercury emissions rules.
"The first draft reflects the administration's ideology and political objectives and the rewrite reflects the facts," Emanuel said in a House speech.
Among the mistakes, Boucher said, was that only part of 2003 was taken into account.
Powell said, "I can assure you it had nothing to do with putting out anything but the most honest, accurate information we can."
"Errors crept in that, frankly, we did not catch here," Powell said. The report showed both a drop in the number of attacks worldwide in 2003 and the virtual disappearance of attacks in which no one died.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040622_960.html
The department also reported a decline in the number of people killed to 625 from 725 during 2002. But in April, the department reported 307 people had been killed last year a much bigger decline.
The findings had been used by senior Bush administration officials to bolster President Bush's claim of success in countering terrorism.
Initially, 190 acts of terror were reported in 2003, a slight decrease from the 198 attacks reported for 2002. On Tuesday, the State Department said there were 208 acts of terror last year, a slight increase from 2002.
Thirty-five U.S. citizens died in international terror attacks last year. The deadliest incident was a suicide bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in May in which nine Americans were killed.
The report did not include U.S. troops killed or wounded in Iraq, or the incidents there, in its report "because they were directed at combatants." Attacks against civilians and unarmed military personnel were included.
A total of 3,646 people were wounded worldwide in terror attacks last year, the report said. This represented a sharp increase from the 2,013 wounded in 2002.
In April, the department had said that 1,593 people were wounded in 2003, a sharp decline from the previous year.
Secretary of State Colin Powell prepared to make a statement later Tuesday.
The initial report was issued April 28. On June 10, the State Department acknowledged the findings were inaccurate. Powell attributed the errors partly to a new data system and said there was no attempt to manipulate the figures to buttress Bush's argument.
When the report was issued, senior administration officials claimed that it showed Bush's counter-terror campaign was a success.
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the report was based "on the facts as we had them at the time. The facts that we had were wrong."
The April report said attacks had declined last year to 190, down from 198 in 2002 and 346 in 2001. The 2003 figure would have been the lowest level in 34 years and a 45 percent drop since 2001, Bush's first year as president. The department is now working to determine the correct figures.
Democratic Rep. Henry A. Waxman of California had challenged the initial findings. He said he was pleased that officials "have now recognized that they have a report that has been inaccurate, and based on the inaccurate information they tried to take self-serving political credit for the results that were wrong."
But Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., was sharply critical on Tuesday.
"Funny things happened on the way to the printer," he said. "Unfortunately, this is not the first, second, or third instance, for that matter, of a Bush Cabinet secretary having to rewrite a report from their own department."
Emanuel cited inaccurate reports on racial disparities in health care, misleading estimates of the Medicare prescription drug bill and the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed mercury emissions rules.
"The first draft reflects the administration's ideology and political objectives and the rewrite reflects the facts," Emanuel said in a House speech.
Among the mistakes, Boucher said, was that only part of 2003 was taken into account.
Powell said, "I can assure you it had nothing to do with putting out anything but the most honest, accurate information we can."
"Errors crept in that, frankly, we did not catch here," Powell said. The report showed both a drop in the number of attacks worldwide in 2003 and the virtual disappearance of attacks in which no one died.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040622_960.html
mrthrax
riffer madness
u could go on and on and on and on,at the end of the day it dont matter who the fuck runs shit all politicians are in it for themselves,as for stopping world hunger fuck that shit,i used to feel sorry for these third world countries whenever i see world vision adds but the cunts never stop fucking,hell if u cant feed a million people why have more kids for,the silly cunts should be planting food instead of fucking all day long only to bring a baby with no future what so ever!!!
To anybody who is bithching about the price of Gasoline: I'm not sure what the tax rate is in your state but in the fine state of Ohio the tax is 40.4 cents per gallon.
And as far as stopping world hunger-
The biggest problem we have in stopping world hunger is the Dictatorships like Saddams and the ones in the Congo and in Sudan that STEAL the food as it arrives and uses it as a tool against their people. THAT is why dictators and MASS MURDERERS like Saddam and his ilk need to be stopped. It was on Bill Clintons watch that over 1,000,000 Rwanda citizens were subjucted to Genocide and we did nothing about it. I do however recall George Bush putting pressure on the Liberian President to step aside (which he did-probably after seeing Saddam get his ass handed to him) which prevented a likely bloodshed in Liberia. I do have problems with President Bush's free spending ways, but I wholeheatedly support what he is doing in the Middle East.
I remember when Ronaldus Maximus (Ronald Reagan for all you dimwits) was President and the left was saying the same shit about him as they are saying about GW-"He's trigger happy", "He's aloof and a dumbass", "Taking on the Russians (substitute Middle East here for GW) will start WW3". Now once the man is dead and gone and the world turns out to be a better place because of him, the left does a lot of revisionist history and state what a great President he was. Long Live George W Bush!!
And as far as stopping world hunger-
The biggest problem we have in stopping world hunger is the Dictatorships like Saddams and the ones in the Congo and in Sudan that STEAL the food as it arrives and uses it as a tool against their people. THAT is why dictators and MASS MURDERERS like Saddam and his ilk need to be stopped. It was on Bill Clintons watch that over 1,000,000 Rwanda citizens were subjucted to Genocide and we did nothing about it. I do however recall George Bush putting pressure on the Liberian President to step aside (which he did-probably after seeing Saddam get his ass handed to him) which prevented a likely bloodshed in Liberia. I do have problems with President Bush's free spending ways, but I wholeheatedly support what he is doing in the Middle East.
I remember when Ronaldus Maximus (Ronald Reagan for all you dimwits) was President and the left was saying the same shit about him as they are saying about GW-"He's trigger happy", "He's aloof and a dumbass", "Taking on the Russians (substitute Middle East here for GW) will start WW3". Now once the man is dead and gone and the world turns out to be a better place because of him, the left does a lot of revisionist history and state what a great President he was. Long Live George W Bush!!
GASOLINEDREAM
Time to Play
Dude,CrimsonGhost said:
Thanks for the laughs!
Comparing Bush to Reagan is pretty pathetic in my opinion. President Reagan had a lot of support throughout most of his presidency among the U.S. citizens and throughout the world. Bush is not even close. I find it quite scary that people want to compare them to be honest with you.
Welcome to the board!
Gasoline Dream,
Thanks for the welcome. I don't know how old you were when Reagan was President, but he was villified by the majority of foriegn leaders. While he had a lot of support in the US ( hence the two landslide elections ) a lot of left leaners were abjact in their hatred or dislike for Reagan ....John kerry for one. I find it amazing that a guy who tried to block Reagan all during his presidency has the gall to revisit history contrary to his actions....but then again HE IS John "flip-flop" Kerry. A couple of other points. The culture of todays media is vastly different than it was during Reagan's presidency. There wasn't 5-6 cable news networks all trying to clamor over themselves for a sensationalistic story as their is today.... call me a kook but I strongly believe that is a reason for a lot of the hatred towards GW. If you ask the majority of most likely Kerry voters why they are voting for him they can't give you one policy that Kerry stands for ...the majority of them just want Bush out. If you ask the same people why they hate Bush.... they can't give you a reason...peculiar if you ask me. I find the similarities in the way feelings toward Bush and Reagan are strikingly similar and I also believe that the parallels years down the road will be justified...Call it a hunch iIguess.. but gut intinct is almost always correct. Talk at you soon.
Thanks for the welcome. I don't know how old you were when Reagan was President, but he was villified by the majority of foriegn leaders. While he had a lot of support in the US ( hence the two landslide elections ) a lot of left leaners were abjact in their hatred or dislike for Reagan ....John kerry for one. I find it amazing that a guy who tried to block Reagan all during his presidency has the gall to revisit history contrary to his actions....but then again HE IS John "flip-flop" Kerry. A couple of other points. The culture of todays media is vastly different than it was during Reagan's presidency. There wasn't 5-6 cable news networks all trying to clamor over themselves for a sensationalistic story as their is today.... call me a kook but I strongly believe that is a reason for a lot of the hatred towards GW. If you ask the majority of most likely Kerry voters why they are voting for him they can't give you one policy that Kerry stands for ...the majority of them just want Bush out. If you ask the same people why they hate Bush.... they can't give you a reason...peculiar if you ask me. I find the similarities in the way feelings toward Bush and Reagan are strikingly similar and I also believe that the parallels years down the road will be justified...Call it a hunch iIguess.. but gut intinct is almost always correct. Talk at you soon.
Oh man, Bush would never flip flop on an issue.......Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and is a threat to the US..oh no, wait a minute, we are liberating the good people of Iraq......you are either with us on the war on terror or you are against us......oh wait a minute, lets look the other way on Saudi Arabia....Iraq had ties to Al-queda...wait a minute, what did the 9-11 commission say? Oh, Cheney says hes got proof of that but hes not saying how. Bush was talking about attacking Saddam prior to 9-11, if you recall, and while I think it is a good thing that Saddam is gone, I was also told by the Flip-Flopper in chief during the Presidential debates that we would not be into nation building, which is exactly what is going on in Iraq. Thats the biggest problem with this whole ordeal, when you invade a country as a pre-emptive measure and everything that you have said as your reason for being there is shown to be a lie, you look like an ass. Not just the President but Republicans, Democrats, Independents and every single citizen of the US. I supported this war in Iraq as much as anyone else but now that it has turned out to be a war based on false pretenses, Ive flip-flopped myself. Changing ones mind does not make that person weak minded but not changing ones mind after finding out the facts does make one a fanatic. The comparisions between Reagan and Bush are far-fetched at best (even the Reagan family frowns on this assumption). Reagan worked with a Democratic Congress for most or all of his two terms as President and worked well, I might add. Reagan actually admitted that he made a mistake with the Iran-Contra scandal but also added that he had the countries best interest at heart which is something Bush would never do. The bottom line is this, Reagan was a leader while Bush is not.
One more difference between Reagan and Bush, Reagan showed support for Saddam. How do you think he got his WMDs? Oh yeah, Rumsfeld was part of that deal too...that damn flip flopper.
Dragons_Kin
Member
SlappyWhitey said:
For one who likes to use news reports, you shold know better about the al-queda iraq ties. Bush never said iraq had ties to 9/11 but with al-queda. Re read the whole "staff notes" and find out for yourself that in fact there was contact between saddam and al-queda. How long was it that we asked and threatend saddam into complying with u.n. resolutins before attacking? He had them, shit he gassed his own people. He had plenty of time to hide or dismantle the weapons or send them to other countries. What about that wonderful oil for food program that saddam and the u.n had going on? The u.n wasn't about to do anything to disrupt their oil flow from iraq and that is why they were against us in the attack.
I personaly say fuck the u.n. too concidering half of the countries involved are dictator run terrorist supporters anyways. The U.S. seems to get all the hate from the rest of the world, but who is it they call on first when they need help?
Did I say anything about Iraq being tied to 9-11? Lets use this little formula when it comes to countries in the Middle East and ties to Bin Laden...take one country, any Middle Eastern country (with the exception of Israel, I guess) will do and insert "had ties or contact with Bin Laden and Al-Queda" and im sure youll always be right. And yes, you are right, Saddam did have WMDs...Weve got the receipt to prove it. Dont you think for a second that the same satellite surveillance we used to discover the mobile weapons labs (the only proof of those is the satellite surveilance by the way) would of caught the immortal WMDs leaving the country at one time or another?
Touting his program to rehabilitate ex-offenders in Cincinnati on Monday, President Bush put his arm on Tami Jordan's shoulder and called the convicted embezzler a "good soul" and an "inspirational person."
But the victims of Jordan's crime - a small, family-owned business in Fairfield that lost $308,170 to Jordan's deception - say she isn't rehabilitated and hasn't paid the court-ordered restitution.
"Of all the people in Cincinnati they could pick out as an example, and they picked her," said Susan Morin, the owner of Gorman Supply Inc. "She's on the front page of every paper, sitting with the most powerful man in the country, and I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to pay my bills next week. Is that fair? Where's my federal program?"
In the town hall-style meeting at a Corryville halfway house, Bush highlighted Jordan as an example of how faith-based programs can help rehabilitate ex-offenders.
The president called on Congress to commit $112 million over two years for drug treatment, student loans and housing for ex-offenders. Rep. Rob Portman, R-Terrace Park, introduced that bill, the Second Chance Act of 2004, Wednesday.
Republicans and Democrats at all levels of government - from Cincinnati Vice Mayor Alicia Reece to the Republican president - are putting an increased emphasis on rehabilitation.
All agree that the government should do more to help convicted felons become productive citizens after they've paid their debt to society.
As the Jordan case shows, people will disagree about how large that debt is. Jordan spent 21/2 years in the Ohio Reformatory for Women and six months at the Talbert House before being freed in August.
While Jordan worked at Talbert house, a small part of her wages were garnished. But now that she's off parole, she hasn't paid a cent of the remaining $310,000 in restitution, the Morins said.
"If she stole $310,000 from someone and still hasn't paid it back, that would make me very unhappy," said Robin Piper, prosecutor in Butler County, where Jordan was convicted. "Quite honestly, I liked the old parole system, where if they didn't make payments, they run the risk of going back to prison. Now when they do their time, they're out."
Jordan first arrived as a temporary worker at Gorman Supply, a 35-year-old distributor of promotional items for the soft drink industry and others.
"She was a member of our family," said daughter Cindy Morin, the third generation in the Gorman company. "We loved her. We trusted her. I was in disbelief that this woman would do this to us. She watched my mom struggle and cry and not understand why she couldn't make ends meet, and not once did she come clean."
From June 1997 to December 1999, Jordan forged Susan Morin's signature on 55 checks totaling $308,170, making them out to her husband, who was also convicted, and other family members. Because she also kept the books, she covered up the checks with phony entries to suppliers, and then stalled them when they called to collect. Even an accountant Gorman hired to figure out why the company was struggling had trouble detecting the theft, the Morins said.
Jordan bought cars - a Chrysler 300M and a Ford Expedition (the Eddie Bauer Edition) - jewelry and family vacations to Disney World, according to court records.
"This woman has not reformed. There's no way three years in prison has done anything for her. She's still working the system again. I know it," Susan Morin said. Except for a prison letter from Tami Jordan's husband, Bruce W. Jordan, pleading for early release, Morin said she hasn't received so much as an apology from either one.
Jordan, who now lives in College Hill and works for a job placement agency helping other ex-offenders get jobs, did not return phone calls to her home and cell phone Wednesday.
"I'm one of the success stories from the Talbert House," Jordan said Monday while seated to the president's left. "A few years ago, I made a poor decision. It pretty much turned my life upside down .... I lost my home, my job, as well as my family had to be separated because of this."
White House spokesman Jim Morrell said Wednesday that the White House worked with the Talbert House to select "individuals who would be willing to share their stories" of how the Talbert House helped get their lives back on track. He was unaware that she had not paid restitution.
"As the president said on Monday, many a good soul makes a mistake in their life. It's not only compassionate, but it makes sense to help these individuals coming out of prison realize a better tomorrow," he said.
Piper, the Republican county prosecutor, said he wholeheartedly agrees with the president's ex-offender initiative.
"Whatever attempts we can make at rehabilitating and re-educating those who have made an error in their judgment, we need to do that. Because if we don't, we pay tenfold in investigating, arresting, trying and incarcerating people over and over again. I hate to use cliches, but it becomes a revolving door," he said.
"At the same time, you do have to hold criminal people accountable."
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http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/24/loc_loc1abush.html
But the victims of Jordan's crime - a small, family-owned business in Fairfield that lost $308,170 to Jordan's deception - say she isn't rehabilitated and hasn't paid the court-ordered restitution.
"Of all the people in Cincinnati they could pick out as an example, and they picked her," said Susan Morin, the owner of Gorman Supply Inc. "She's on the front page of every paper, sitting with the most powerful man in the country, and I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to pay my bills next week. Is that fair? Where's my federal program?"
In the town hall-style meeting at a Corryville halfway house, Bush highlighted Jordan as an example of how faith-based programs can help rehabilitate ex-offenders.
The president called on Congress to commit $112 million over two years for drug treatment, student loans and housing for ex-offenders. Rep. Rob Portman, R-Terrace Park, introduced that bill, the Second Chance Act of 2004, Wednesday.
Republicans and Democrats at all levels of government - from Cincinnati Vice Mayor Alicia Reece to the Republican president - are putting an increased emphasis on rehabilitation.
All agree that the government should do more to help convicted felons become productive citizens after they've paid their debt to society.
As the Jordan case shows, people will disagree about how large that debt is. Jordan spent 21/2 years in the Ohio Reformatory for Women and six months at the Talbert House before being freed in August.
While Jordan worked at Talbert house, a small part of her wages were garnished. But now that she's off parole, she hasn't paid a cent of the remaining $310,000 in restitution, the Morins said.
"If she stole $310,000 from someone and still hasn't paid it back, that would make me very unhappy," said Robin Piper, prosecutor in Butler County, where Jordan was convicted. "Quite honestly, I liked the old parole system, where if they didn't make payments, they run the risk of going back to prison. Now when they do their time, they're out."
Jordan first arrived as a temporary worker at Gorman Supply, a 35-year-old distributor of promotional items for the soft drink industry and others.
"She was a member of our family," said daughter Cindy Morin, the third generation in the Gorman company. "We loved her. We trusted her. I was in disbelief that this woman would do this to us. She watched my mom struggle and cry and not understand why she couldn't make ends meet, and not once did she come clean."
From June 1997 to December 1999, Jordan forged Susan Morin's signature on 55 checks totaling $308,170, making them out to her husband, who was also convicted, and other family members. Because she also kept the books, she covered up the checks with phony entries to suppliers, and then stalled them when they called to collect. Even an accountant Gorman hired to figure out why the company was struggling had trouble detecting the theft, the Morins said.
Jordan bought cars - a Chrysler 300M and a Ford Expedition (the Eddie Bauer Edition) - jewelry and family vacations to Disney World, according to court records.
"This woman has not reformed. There's no way three years in prison has done anything for her. She's still working the system again. I know it," Susan Morin said. Except for a prison letter from Tami Jordan's husband, Bruce W. Jordan, pleading for early release, Morin said she hasn't received so much as an apology from either one.
Jordan, who now lives in College Hill and works for a job placement agency helping other ex-offenders get jobs, did not return phone calls to her home and cell phone Wednesday.
"I'm one of the success stories from the Talbert House," Jordan said Monday while seated to the president's left. "A few years ago, I made a poor decision. It pretty much turned my life upside down .... I lost my home, my job, as well as my family had to be separated because of this."
White House spokesman Jim Morrell said Wednesday that the White House worked with the Talbert House to select "individuals who would be willing to share their stories" of how the Talbert House helped get their lives back on track. He was unaware that she had not paid restitution.
"As the president said on Monday, many a good soul makes a mistake in their life. It's not only compassionate, but it makes sense to help these individuals coming out of prison realize a better tomorrow," he said.
Piper, the Republican county prosecutor, said he wholeheartedly agrees with the president's ex-offender initiative.
"Whatever attempts we can make at rehabilitating and re-educating those who have made an error in their judgment, we need to do that. Because if we don't, we pay tenfold in investigating, arresting, trying and incarcerating people over and over again. I hate to use cliches, but it becomes a revolving door," he said.
"At the same time, you do have to hold criminal people accountable."
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http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/24/loc_loc1abush.html
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My apologies King Delpi...I should of stuck to the really deep topics such as, "What is the first time you cried while listening to Anthrax?" or "What do Scott Ians' farts smell like?". If there is a post on here that I dont care about, I normally dont look at it and waste my time posting some lame assed comment like you did. Nobody forced you to read it, now did they? Just like everything else in life, if you dont like it, youve got the option not to be subjected to it.
