Why the hell does this happen with certain ampsims?

[ballstix]

For some reason, I pretty much can't use some ampsims because I get this weird flubby sound with my guitar.

It's worst with the Anvil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1570706/anvil.mp3

that's TSE 808 with tone at 10 -> Anvil on lead channel with bright switch on -> LeCab with Kalthallen 003c

It doesn't seem to matter how much I fudge with the settings, does anyone have any idea what could be causing this (really audible when I hit the G#'s and A's)?

Here's the same track through LeGion, same settings: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1570706/legion.mp3

I pretty much can't hear the issue at all here

And finally, here's a DI for those kind enough to investigate: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1570706/di.mp3

My guitar has a BKP Painkiller in the bridge, and I'm running it through a Saffire Pro 24 DSP with the gain knob at about 4. There isn't any clipping or anything.

 

[StefTD]

couldn't listen to the samples-but why do you put the tone on 10?
If I do this, the sound always sucks maybe that's your problem

 

[ballstix]

Well, I do it depending on the sim for playing. With LeCto, for instance, I like how it feels better with the tone at 10, but in a mix I might turn it down. With LeGion, I have the tone at like 1 or 2 or something otherwise it sounds like shit (which it does in the clip, but that's just a test). If I remove the 808 altogether I still have the same issue .

 

[ballstix]

Just tested the chain with Mago's DI's, and I'm getting the same problem (to a much lesser degree, though), so I guess it isn't interface or guitar related...wtf? Can anyone else recreate this?

 

[hoehlentroll]

search for a thread "creating DIs" here at this forum. I remember someonw did a nice tutorial. It's something about your playing/or interface.

 

[ballstix]

search for a thread "creating DIs" here at this forum. I remember someonw did a nice tutorial. It's something about your playing/or interface.

Thanks. Don't want to seem like a nuisance, but I can't seem to find it using the Sneap Search. Any more details on where to find the thread?

 

[bryan_kilco]

Are you running a high pass filter to suck out unwanted low end?

Maybe it's just me, but that DI sounds a bit muddy to my ears. How old are your strings?

 

[hoehlentroll]

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/production-tips/290714-preparing-your-tracks-reamping-guide.html

1. restring
2. strum real hard and watch if it peaks. get the input volume just before it peaks.
3. tune, tune, tune
4. don't play like a pussy, play hard.
5. don't palm mute to close to the bridge --> it will sound woofy
6. work on your technique, it might be in your playing
7. bring in mids, bring down the gain --> less muddy tone
8. high and low-pass filter!
9. starting point for equing: 130 hz +5db, 1,5khz +3.5db, 6-7 khz +5.5db

 

[Robert W]

Listened to both clips and wasn't really hearing any flub myself.

 

[Brandon E.]

9. starting point for equing: 130 hz +5db, 1,5khz +3.5db, 6-7 khz +5.5db

wtf

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

Change the impulse and see if it is still there. I get that same thing with some amp sims with certain impulses.

 

[ballstix]

Listened to both clips and wasn't really hearing any flub myself.

Maybe flub isn't the right word...it's just like an ugly sound that sounds almost like an audio glitch or something on certain notes, idk.

I've tried a fair amount of impulses. Some lessen the blow a little. Still pretty much universal.

 

[bryan_kilco]

wtf

that's what I was thinking.

 

[Robert W]

Maybe flub isn't the right word...it's just like an ugly sound that sounds almost like an audio glitch or something on certain notes, idk.

I've tried a fair amount of impulses. Some lessen the blow a little. Still pretty much universal.

Hmm, I listened to both those clips again, and I wasn't hearing anything in those tones that sounded like what you were describing.

I know when I first started using sims they always sounded a little "off" to me.

Anyways, two things that come to mind are picking technique and speaker impulses. It seems that amp sims amplify your picking technique more than real amps do, at least that's been my personal experience, so maybe trying to adjust your pick attack slightly might be something worth trying.

Also, maybe try using some different speaker sims. If you're getting a tone you don't like with v30s try some t75 sims, or vice-versa. I have had some very good results with these,

Sperimental Impulses Pack
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2850

I've found these to be some of the most "natural" sounding speaker sims out there.

 

[hoehlentroll]

that's what I was thinking.

According to Soundcheck Extra Magazin Volume 5 2009 page 127. It works for me at least, if it doesn't for you, try something different

 

[FF666]

I don't listen to any strange thing.
Could be the pick attack?? It's due to high levels of distortion and hard picking. Use less distortion man

Listen to this Cemetary album, this can be called "pick attack saturation". Yours no.


*edited

 

[ballstix]

Well, I do pick pretty hard. I'm gonna work on fixing it a little later today.

 

[hoehlentroll]

I don't listen to any strange thing.
Could be the pick attack?? It's due to high levels of distortion. Use less man

Listen to this Cemetary album, this can be called pick attack. Yours no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4dodFe7S74

hahaha shit's annoying as fuck

 

[bryan_kilco]

According to Soundcheck Extra Magazin Volume 5 2009 page 127. It works for me at least, if it doesn't for you, try something different

But isn't the general "rule" to do subtractive EQ before boosting? I know, there's no right or wrong, but ..... since you really can't boost something that is not there to begin with......

 

[hoehlentroll]

ahhh. I see. EQing goes after the cab of course. 1-6 before recording, 7 while recording and 8-9 AFTER recording. also, what came into my mind. if the sound is too flubby try a multi-band compressor for lower mids!