Worm Infested...banned from shelves.

[Russell]

Thanks

 

[Profanity]

Yes, well said Russell.

 

[Dick Rott]

IMO if they want to have what is obviously going to be an offensive cover in stores, they should have done what they did with Gore Obsessed.

Put a carboard cover over the CD that just says Worm Infested, and when you buy it, you take it off and throw it away, and bam: Underneath is the real cover, and everybody is happy.

 

[Russell]

Yes, well said Russell.

Cheers

 

[None_So_Vile]

thats true actually because slayer did it with god hates us all, they had that white piece of paper with a cross and "slayer, god hates us all" written on it to cover up the actual sleeve which is a bible with slayer burnt into it, nails rammed into it and blood everywhere. But im still gonna go with russell's comments

 

[AjDeath]

Alot of replies to this thread are pretty redundant and boring, oh, no, someone is pointing out that CC sucks for the millionth time and that their tatse in music is much more superior than yours, I have never heard this before. People should grow up, it is time some of you should realize that no one else gives a shit about your opinions about fucking music, if someone likes it they will listen to it, if they don' they don't, why is this so hard to grasp? Negative opinions do not affect me, the way I see it is that if someone says an album is "whorible bullshit" then they are just a negative person, I would rather have someone say, "You know, I didn't enjoy it that much, but that is just me." Your own personal musical taste is not the be all, end all, neither is mine. Some of you should learn to deal with that.

 

[Demiurge]

Is anyone so stupid to think that a violent cartoon is capable of turning a balanced person into a vicious psychopath?

I never complain about intolerance, it depends on what exactly isn't being tolerated.

You have a conservative worldview. You believe that that the masses usually make proper decisions. Realize that the current state isn't necessarily the best state. Saying that religion is worthy because lots of people follow it isn't terribly convincing.

 

[AjDeath]

I am saying exactly what you are saying. People should think for themselves, but people who argue about musical tastes need to find another hobby. I do think the majority of the people in this world do not need to be toled what to think because someone thinksthey have it over them, but I will also admit the most of the people in this world to the easy route, having someone or something(gov'ts-mtv-religion) think for them. What I am saying though is this, LAY OFF, someone liking a certain band is not a bad thing, and just because you do not like that band doesn't mean you need to tell them they are wrong, because it is all just personal preference in the end. And I base my tastes on what I like, just like most of the other people here. Just like you. I don't go around telling everybody that Black Metal is the worst thing I have ever heard, including rap, because I know most of you don't care about my intolerant position, if you like it, then why not listen to it?

 

[Ol' Dirty Bastard]

Alot of replies to this thread are pretty redundant and boring, oh, no, someone is pointing out that CC sucks for the millionth time and that their tatse in music is much more superior than yours, I have never heard this before. People should grow up, it is time some of you should realize that no one else gives a shit about your opinions about fucking music, if someone likes it they will listen to it, if they don' they don't, why is this so hard to grasp? Negative opinions do not affect me, the way I see it is that if someone says an album is "whorible bullshit" then they are just a negative person, I would rather have someone say, "You know, I didn't enjoy it that much, but that is just me." Your own personal musical taste is not the be all, end all, neither is mine. Some of you should learn to deal with that.

You sound like an ass.

If I feel like saying that Cannibal Corpse is gabage then I have every right to, just as they have every right to continually write boring songs about fucking with knives (and other such intelligent and powerfully moving topics) and have crappy artwork that appeals to teenagers who think such things are "cool".

ps: Carcass outdid anything Cannibal Corpse will ever do 15 years ago, and they did it with a lot more class.

 

[Terrifyer]

You sound like an ass.

If I feel like saying that Cannibal Corpse is gabage then I have every right to, just as they have every right to continually write boring songs about fucking with knives (and other such intelligent and powerfully moving topics) and have crappy artwork that appeals to teenagers who think such things are "cool".

ps: Carcass outdid anything Cannibal Corpse will ever do 15 years ago, and they did it with a lot more class.

so, I guess Carcass did songs about more intelligent topics?

what kind of artwork appeals to tr00 metalheads?

 

[Demiurge]

The problem is that I say that a band isn't good then I explain why I feel this way. People respond not by telling me where my analysis fails but by calling me names for not liking their favorite band(s).

 

[Ol' Dirty Bastard]

so, I guess Carcass did songs about more intelligent topics?

what kind of artwork appeals to tr00 metalheads?

Yes they did. If you'd pay attention you'd notice that a lot of even the old songs had some sort of meaning behind them, political, ethical or otherwise. It's on a higher level than the low grade, childish, jock-rock, fantasyland bullshit that CC puts forth. If I want horror I'll watch a movie or read a book, not listen to some asshole growl about it to the same three drum patterns and go-nowhere guitar riffs backdrop that they've insisted on playing for 15 years.

As for the artwork, if CC didn't put out these retarded cartoon covers they'd have never been noticed. I'll take Travis Smith artwork over such mindless rubbish anyday.

 

[Ol' Dirty Bastard]

Oh yeah, and a right back at ya.

 

[SculptedCold]

Yesss.. The problem is of course, that there are those of us who possibly don't have enough of a technical knowledge of music to be able to describe -accurately- what we dislike about the music precisely.....and musicians can pick on us for that. Don't get me wrong, its no excuse for the technically deprived to start throwing names, but technical knowledge shouldn't be used in such a way as to overrule opinion...only to help describe reasoning.
I personally can't understand your disliking of Opeth...and I can see why you say some of their music meanders aimlessly (I consider Orchid especially to be quite poorly composed...structurally) but honestly, even when seeing things in a technical nature, most of comprehending composition is a matter of taste and preference. Some people may simply think the sound of one transition in a song, from one part to another, works better than others. There's not much technicality you can throw at that to qualify the band as bad at writing music. While Opeth do of course have thier rough edges in that department, they have equally written some masterpeices that flow perfectly to my ear....and i'm no Opeth fanboy.

But back to the topic of this thread....I agree with Russel partly in that it is unnecessary or even unqualifiable to let children be freely exposed to such artworks.....there's just no sense in it, regardless of how little it may 'traumatize' the sprogs. On the other hand, I agree strongly with demiurge in that, although it is indeed true as Russel says that us minority can't exect the same consideration geared towards mass public, it isn't fundamentally or necessarily RIGHT that the mass public should automatically be considered the authoritative body that dictates what should and should not be seen or done about things. This is more of an ideological dispute though, because the 'mass public' is of course the social creation and embodiment of the ideal, average, functioning state in which humanity best exists. Yet again, the public's view of things is often and irretrievably seen as flawed in the eyes of individuals....but individuality is a completely non-functional state; if the world tried to live as an individual, there would be nothing but chaos and conflict. I personally believe that there should be no such censorship, because the public IS NOT suited to the individual, and there has to be space for the individual somewhere because the only person we know and control is ourselves. Practically however, it's an almost useless debate; we're defined exactly by our 'social' mass, and while it's flexible with our freedom to some degree, it's biggest problem is also it's own intolerance. This makes everything about censorship completely unstable over time....while some things seem to be covered more, others run more rampant. It's not easily predictable. The day that ceases to be the case is the day we're rendered extinct.

what the FUCK am i talking about




ODB - CC's artwork; it may be silly, but it's talented hand-done artwork. Whatever genuine artwork is in Smith's images is diluted and covered in digital wizardry. Never as credible as simple handwork.

 

[Ol' Dirty Bastard]

ODB - CC's artwork; it may be silly, but it's talented hand-done artwork. Whatever genuine artwork is in Smith's images is diluted and covered in digital wizardry. Never as credible as simple handwork.

I prefer the final result of Smith's artwork.

 

[AjDeath]

Besides Sculpted Cold, Russel, and a few others, you people are the reason metal heads get a bad rep, man, talk about frustration.

@Bastard- First of all, I did not discuss my opinion of CC, what I replied about was how some of the people here think they are right about something as trivial as musical taste, music is a very large part of my life, but I am not ignorant enough to argue about stupid shit when it is all in the eye(or ear) of the beholder, I could really give a shit what you think about CC or any other fucking band, this thread is not even about CC goddamned music, it is about censorship, but half of you people feel the need to respond in a childish fashion whenever a band you do not like is mentioned, GROW THE FUCK UP! And drop it, don't push your views onto other people, I have trouble living my own fucking life let alone trying to live others for them. I would think you would too. And if carying on in a congenial manner is being an ass here at UM, well look at my fucking title.

 

[Ol' Dirty Bastard]

I didn't realize that bitching and moaning about whatever the hell I want was against some rule. I also didn't realize that YOUR view (ya know, the one about how people aren't supposed to say whatever they want, they're all apparently supposed to be polite to each other and go about everything in some formal manner, ect, to make AJDeath happy) was so fucking important. Sorry.

 

[Ol' Dirty Bastard]

... and for someone against "pushing views" on other people, you sure do seem to enjoy doing just that, judging by your posts in other threads/forums.

 

[Dick Rott]

 

[Russell]

Is anyone so stupid to think that a violent cartoon is capable of turning a balanced person into a vicious psychopath?

No-one ever claimed it was, but it can help tip the balance for an already vulnerable person into psychopathic behaviour. One of the major causes of violence in psychopaths is an inability to empathise with their victims; to fail to see the effect their actions have on others. Having a violent cartoon is not only accelerating the first stage of this - de-sensitising them to violence - but if it it a cartoon it can even be thought of doing so in a "fun" light - after all, the majority of cartoons are aimed at entertaining children. Hence, while a gorey cartoon alone doesn't create a psychopath, it can certainly make it more likely someone with a disposition towards the disorder becomes one.

You have a conservative worldview. You believe that that the masses usually make proper decisions. Realize that the current state isn't necessarily the best state. Saying that religion is worthy because lots of people follow it isn't terribly convincing.

It's all subjective, as far as I'm concerned not burning down a church because a few people find them offensive isn't conservative - the original intention is extremist. Esepcially considering, let's face it - a church is usually a rather beautiful and historical building, and doesn't cause offence to anyone but the most highly-strung anti-Christians, it's the religion that usually pisses people off.

I don't believe the masses usually make proper decisions, some of them are wrong, but in this case, yes, I believe the majority is correct. If you read my original post that is all too clear... I'm not applying this accros all of society, just in this specific case - your comparison isn't valid.

I also never said religion is worthy because lots of people follow it, all I said is that it is a long standing, major part of our society and you are in the extremist minority in being so anti-religion. However, as you brought it up, yes, religion is worthy because everyone - including you - has a right to believe what they want, be it Christianity, atheism, Judaism or whatever. Your views have no higher validity than anyone else’s, even if you believe you are superior. As far as I'm concerned, whatever anyone wants to believe is fine with me - as long as they don't impose their views on me...