Wright Brothers vs Santos Dumont: who invented the airplane?

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The Wright Brothers did extensive testing on the mechanics of flight in the early 1900s, trying to figure out how a machine could create enough lift to sustain flight, and how it would react in the air.

After testing pieces of wood in a rudemintary wind tunnel, the Wrights designed a machine which they believed could stay in the air for atleast a few seconds. Thus, in 1903, the Wrights took their machine to the windiest place in the United States, Kitty Hawk, Norht Carolina...knowing full well that only with the help of strong winds would their machine have any chance of sustaining flight.

There was also two more problems. Their machine was too heavy for its own good, and the engine too weak. Therefore, it could not takeoff on its own means, and had to rely on a catapult to propel it into the air. Then once airborne, the pilot would only be take for a ride, because the Wrights also did not know how to manipulate the controls of an aircraft once airborne.

So, in 1903, the Wrights catapulted their machine into the windiest skies of the US, and it flew-or glided-along for a few seconds before coming down hard on the North Carolina sand.

Santos Dumont, on the other hand, had been a well known inventor for some time before he first took flight. He invented many simple everyday gadgets, and was highly respecte in Europe. But his fasination lay with aviation, and man's dream of flying. In 1906, Santos Dumont and the rest of the world had no idea who the Wright Brothers were, and were still under the impression that no flight had been made.

Dumont came up with a heavier than air machine which could take off, manuver through the air for several minutes, and land gently where it started. Thus, Santos Dumont took off from downtown Paris in 1906 infront of a crowd of millions, manuvered his aircraft using an invention of his: the aileron, and landed safely at the same point he started at.

Only many years later would the records of the Wright's "flight" in 1903 be released, and the Americans claimed the right of first flight by technicality...the technicality being the Wrights machine was heavier than air, and had a working motor..as useless to flight as that motor might have been.

So the question is this: was the Wrights machine really an airplane that took flight? Or was it more of a kite? If the latter is true, which is what the evidence points to, than Santos Dumont made the first flight. But no indepth investigation has ever been made.

Regardless of who people in the Aviation community believe made the first flight, we all agree on one thing: Santos Dumont is truly the father of aviation, since his inventions, discoveries, and technology survive till this day in modern aircraft.

Santos Dumont was also an idealist. He entered depression and commited suicide after he saw the evil uses for the airplane men had in the first world war. The Wright Brothers on the other hand made fortune selling their later models to the american army.
 
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what i think its funny in the american claims that Wright Brothers were the first to fly, is that they DO NOT have any proof they really flew. All Wright flights were made in secrecy.. and anotated in their OWN diary!!

Its like... I say to everybody I invented a faster than light impulsion device, but i dont show it to anybody, nobody has any way to see if what I say its true. Three years later someone invents a faster than light impulsion device, and after that, improving the design, other people are showing their own faster-than-light impulsion devices. Than I also come to public showing my own device, which can work for more time... and to prove I invented it before, I show diaries with my own notes!!!

Thats absurd! There were no witnesses that i had a faster-than-light device before another person invented it!
 
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I think, even with all the circumstances, since the Wright brothers got their machine in the air first, they invented it. Now, Santos Dumont did all his stuff alone and perfected it making his better, but he still didn't do it first...
So I say Wright brothers. Without bashing Santos either all you meanies!:(
 
lol... ok dude. But the point I try to make is that how do you know they put their machine in the air first if nobody saw it, and the only proof they had was their own words?

ah come on... you americans dont even need the Wright Brothers! You have Tomas Edison, the first man on the moon, countless inventions were invented by americans. Leave the airplane to the brazilian, the cinema to the french and all is fine! :)
 
Hehehe...You're right, Tomas Edison is the man. :cool:
But they have a picture...you've never seen that picture with the one brother looking and the plane flying? I'm not going to try and remember which one was which because I would get it wrong. :p
And about the Brazilian, they invented Krisiun so that counts for alot! (no sarcasm)
 
Krisium is from the same city where I was born, Porto Alegre... oh no wait. Thats Rebaellium... well, I know Krisium is from my state also... maybe Caxias do Sul, which is 100km from where I live.

Hey hey... if I show you the picture of my faster than light spaceship will you believe its real?? :)

not even the americans believed in the Wright Brothers before 1908.

btw... i am not into death... nor thrash... hehehe, so i dont like much neither Krisium nor Sepultura. But I suggest you some other great brazilian bands... Angra, Shaman, Tuatha De Danann, Akashic... they are power and prog hehehehe. Not very similar to Krisium...
 
Actually, the Wright Brothers first flight was in 1902 in a hang glider. And yes, there is a picture of this. They built this hanglider in 1900. Here is a good link with pictures.

Now you can argue who invented the airplane all day, but I say that the actual inventer is none other than Leonardo de Vinci. ...And yes, I have seen a picture of the Zeppelin that Dumont flew.
 
Dumont flew a zeppelin and later in 1906 an airplane. The question is if you show a photo 5 years later how can you prove its truth?

and yeah, Leonardo Da Vinci rules! My favorite Ninja Turtle!! LOL ;)
 
AcesHigh said:
Krisium is from the same city where I was born, Porto Alegre... oh no wait. Thats Rebaellium... well, I know Krisium is from my state also... maybe Caxias do Sul, which is 100km from where I live.

Hey hey... if I show you the picture of my faster than light spaceship will you believe its real?? :)

not even the americans believed in the Wright Brothers before 1908.

btw... i am not into death... nor thrash... hehehe, so i dont like much neither Krisium nor Sepultura. But I suggest you some other great brazilian bands... Angra, Shaman, Tuatha De Danann, Akashic... they are power and prog hehehehe. Not very similar to Krisium...
Thats alright! Death is my favorite but I enjoy power and prog too! I'll check them out sometime.
 
You can check the negative. They have an imprint on them that is a different as a human finger print and they can be analysed to within the exact year.

Anyway, I don't really understand why someone is arguing over who flew the first in an airplane. They did something for World Travel and that should be marveled.

BTW, Notice where I'm from:loco:
 
I was going to say Leanardo Da Vinci as well, but there are people earlier who made objects soar in the air, he's just the most famous....

You can credit the ancient indians who drew pictures of flying obects on walls thousands of years earlier. :p