I personally think that it is quite sick.
And it is also a rape, and anyone who rapes, has bad problems.
Whaddya think?
And it is also a rape, and anyone who rapes, has bad problems.
Whaddya think?
Your opinions of animal molesting?
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rahvin
keeper of the flame
i agree. wanting to have sex with a living being that cannot relate to you the same way you can relate to it, on a feelings+conscience+intellect basis is perverted. perversions are something people should be cured for, not mocked or hated for though.
i don't think somebody's going to disagree to that, realhazard. in fact, you were my only candidate for disagreeing to this (only for a lark, not, like, seriously), so i guess we're pretty safe from here on.
rahvin.
i don't think somebody's going to disagree to that, realhazard. in fact, you were my only candidate for disagreeing to this (only for a lark, not, like, seriously), so i guess we're pretty safe from here on.
rahvin.
manuelgv
Back now...hopefully
I agree with both
specially on the rape thing
raping people are disturbed but raping an animal who doesn't know what you are up to has to be one of the sickest things ever
after pedophile and necrophile
specially on the rape thing
raping people are disturbed but raping an animal who doesn't know what you are up to has to be one of the sickest things ever
after pedophile and necrophile
Yetti
Active Member
I say raping dead isn´t just as bad thing as raping living being..
animal or human, what is the difference.
@rahvin: Do you try to hurt my feelings?
animal or human, what is the difference.
@rahvin: Do you try to hurt my feelings?
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Originally posted by RealHazard
@rahvin: Do you try to hurt my feelings?
if "feelings" is the way you want to call your loins now...
anyway, i agree: necrophilia isn't as reviling an abhorrance as having sex with unwilling living beings. and doing so with living human beings i'd say it ranks alongside murder.
rahvin.
Lethe78
Expired candle
TexunNYC
SceneQueen Extraordinaire
Then I'll freely cop to being a big-ass pervert because seldom, IF EVER, are any of the men I have sex with capable of relating to me on any of those plateaus . . . sometimes sex is little more than masturbation with the walking equivalent of a porn rag and while it certainly can be argued, academically, that this is an unhealthy or dysfunctional way to exercise one's sexuality, I've always been baffled by folks who place morality judgements on others for what they're doing with their genitals.
To the query at hand: animal sex, like pedophilia, is an issue of free will for me; I don't believe either of them (children or animals) have the ability to exercise theirs -- too volatile, too subject to coercion = not ethical -- although I'll be the last person on this planet to sit in judgement on those who suffer these (sic) perversions.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
i don't think morality had anything to with it. it might be moral/immoral to have sex with a relative or someone who's way older, or someone underage, but i wasn't really referring to that. what i meant is if you consciously want to have sex with someone that is incapacitated to relate to you in any way your sexual needs are not normal. please note i said consciously want to - it doesn't happen by accident or without you knowing - and incapacitated to - they don't just choose not to.
if your point was that you have often been having unsatisfying sex with the walking equivalent of a porn rag, i'm honestly sorry you did and i don't think you were specifically looking for it. hence, no perversion there.
if you're happy with the situation and want to stress how extremely fulfilling such acts are, i think your sexual needs might not be normal. you can beat me if you like. many would say that's another perversion.
which is by and large everybody's opinion here. where would you put the difference between expressing one's own opinion and (sic) sitting in judgement? because i would say you come out as much more opinionated for single-handedly deciding we were (or i was) passing moral judgements, but i still believe you were just expressing your own pov, right?
rahvin.
TexunNYC
SceneQueen Extraordinaire
He, he -- nice response there . . . I'll freely admit to being one of the Internet's more prolific proponents of separation of "sex" and "morality" (like our US-based separation of "church" and "state") so it is not entirely implausible that my own *agenda* precludes clarity in logic, at times.
The language usage is where I made a differentiation between folks who are merely expressing an opinion and those who are passing judgement. When merely expressing one's opinion, word usage tends to be a great deal less emotive; whereas words such as nasty, sick/sickest, and ranking alongside murder are all highly-charged terms whose connotations are certainly more moral than objective to anyone who understands the nuances of English language usage.
It is entirely possible I misinterpreted and, if so, extend my apologies -- I realize this board is comprised primarily of European folks and, given the board's chosen language is a 2nd, 3rd or 15th for many of you, I understand this can easily lead to obfuscation . . .
Cheers!
The language usage is where I made a differentiation between folks who are merely expressing an opinion and those who are passing judgement. When merely expressing one's opinion, word usage tends to be a great deal less emotive; whereas words such as nasty, sick/sickest, and ranking alongside murder are all highly-charged terms whose connotations are certainly more moral than objective to anyone who understands the nuances of English language usage.
It is entirely possible I misinterpreted and, if so, extend my apologies -- I realize this board is comprised primarily of European folks and, given the board's chosen language is a 2nd, 3rd or 15th for many of you, I understand this can easily lead to obfuscation . . .
Cheers!
rahvin
keeper of the flame
@texunnyc: oh, your apologies are going to make me reach for my dwarven axe of pride +2, because although english is my 2nd language i take great pride in my understanding the subtlest nuances and saying exactly what i want to say the way i want to say it.
but of course that was just me bragging about: without a doubt i've been rather unclear. i'm not responsible for using any of the expressions you quoted except ranking alongside murder, and i didn't mention that in reference to sexual perversions, i just compared it to rape.
i can elaborate further on the subject, which i don't see as one founded on ethics, but maybe i'll do that later when i've overcome the childish feeling of having to defer to my english teacher.
i totally agree on the idea that sex and morality should be allowed to be separated for those who want it so. it seems to me a lot of people see sex and morality as somewhat intertwined and that's their choice. i, for once, tend to associate sex mostly with aesthetical criteria (no, i don't mean that i couldn't have it with ugly people), but i admit my philosophical/political ideas can be sort of peculiar at times.
there was an attempt at some clinical definition in my words, which may or may not be valid, but no badly concealed hate for anyone.
rahvin.
but of course that was just me bragging about: without a doubt i've been rather unclear. i'm not responsible for using any of the expressions you quoted except ranking alongside murder, and i didn't mention that in reference to sexual perversions, i just compared it to rape.
i can elaborate further on the subject, which i don't see as one founded on ethics, but maybe i'll do that later when i've overcome the childish feeling of having to defer to my english teacher.
i totally agree on the idea that sex and morality should be allowed to be separated for those who want it so. it seems to me a lot of people see sex and morality as somewhat intertwined and that's their choice. i, for once, tend to associate sex mostly with aesthetical criteria (no, i don't mean that i couldn't have it with ugly people
), but i admit my philosophical/political ideas can be sort of peculiar at times.there was an attempt at some clinical definition in my words, which may or may not be valid, but no badly concealed hate for anyone.
rahvin.
@texunnyc: you stole my joke. pfffff.
as for sex, morality, and the likes: it's completely beyond my understanding. much as in many other areas of my existence recently, i behold the wisdom of other people, and try to make sense of it.
most of the times, i can't. what is worse is that this applies to each position and its opposite, which makes me want to buy a gun and keep it in a drawer for, well, sanity.
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as for sex, morality, and the likes: it's completely beyond my understanding. much as in many other areas of my existence recently, i behold the wisdom of other people, and try to make sense of it.
most of the times, i can't. what is worse is that this applies to each position and its opposite, which makes me want to buy a gun and keep it in a drawer for, well, sanity.
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Dark_Jester
Unrepentant sentient
rahvin
keeper of the flame
wildfyr
unus spiritus est
you are strange, RealHazard.
since i missed the pre-edit post, did you intend "sexual" molestation, or something else? @wildfyr:
Thakns, sexual molestation I meant.
Yeah.. I have never used to write down what I have edited from my posts; but usually I have so much writing errors that replies need to be edited.
Thakns, sexual molestation I meant.
Yeah.. I have never used to write down what I have edited from my posts; but usually I have so much writing errors that replies need to be edited.
wildfyr
unus spiritus est
ok. thank you so much for clarifying, RH. i apologize for the question but i must confess that sometimes i'm not quite sure what your intended meaning is in some posts and i'd rather not assume about things i'm not sure i know. i suppose i should have known based on your US Metal post about Americans and horses! 
but, after this post here, i was wondering if you may have had some other ideas about how people treat animals, not just in a sexual sense i mean. i thought maybe you might have had some other animal welfare issues in mind.
but, after this post here, i was wondering if you may have had some other ideas about how people treat animals, not just in a sexual sense i mean. i thought maybe you might have had some other animal welfare issues in mind.
Dark_Jester
Unrepentant sentient
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