Is it just me or does almost every song from still life go in 12/8 timing? White cluster, the moor etc. etc. I know there are other timings in the songs but they always seem to surround the 12/8 timing. It's great =D
12/8 timing...
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Morningrise
...I am just thin air...
They may be playing in 4/4 just playing triplets, or just playing 6/8 with 2 bar sequences. I am not listening to it, I will have to listen for that later on though....
Total Jock
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4 years of music in High School and then playing in a rock band hasn't paid off, cuz i wouldn't be able to tell 12/8 from 6/8 or 5/8.
Only thing I can tell is when it's not 4/4. I guess I need to bone up on my understanding of time signatures.
Only thing I can tell is when it's not 4/4. I guess I need to bone up on my understanding of time signatures.
You wouldn't call it 4/4 with triplets, always just 6/8 or 12/8. All the compound times probably come from their black metal influences.
Russell
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Yeah I couldn't name it, but I play it quite a bit *goes and finds music book* I can just about c what ur saying 
Lina
kickass elizabethan style
i don't have time to listen to white cluster, but the moor is in 4/4 until minute 7:30, then switches to 6/8, then back to 4/4 at minute 9.
you can have triplets in 4/4 timing. a triplet refers to three notes that are played just a little off time to fit into what would be 2 counts.
you can have triplets in 4/4 timing. a triplet refers to three notes that are played just a little off time to fit into what would be 2 counts.
Lee_B
Readin' me posts are ya?
I've been playing for twenty years and I still don't have a clue either.... I remember trying out for some band a while ago and they were all like "yeah, this one starts in 3/4 then goes to 13/23...yadda, yadda, yadda" and they may as well have been talking Chinese. Then they played the song, I played it back to 'em and everyone was happy.
Why confuse matters? Just play the damn thing!
Lina
kickass elizabethan style
are you asking what a time signature is?
a time signature tells how many beats are in a measure and what kind of note gets one beat. for instance, 4/4 means there are four beats per measure and a quarter note gets one beat. 6/8 means there are six beats per measure and an eighth note gets one beat. 2/2 would mean two beats per measure and a half note gets one beat.
some people find it easy to determine the time signature, while others find it difficult. you basically just have to count with the music, and see where the measure begins anew. if you have no rhythm, good luck. but with practice, it becomes second nature.
if that's not what you were asking, sorry for the lesson.
a time signature tells how many beats are in a measure and what kind of note gets one beat. for instance, 4/4 means there are four beats per measure and a quarter note gets one beat. 6/8 means there are six beats per measure and an eighth note gets one beat. 2/2 would mean two beats per measure and a half note gets one beat.
some people find it easy to determine the time signature, while others find it difficult. you basically just have to count with the music, and see where the measure begins anew. if you have no rhythm, good luck. but with practice, it becomes second nature.
if that's not what you were asking, sorry for the lesson.
Liek someone said. You never call a 4/4 with triplets for 4/4.. you either call it 12/8 or 6/8... althou 12/8 can be looked at as 4/4 and 6/8 as 2/4 with triplets... anyways. it rock's the way they do it. otherwise I can't stand 12/8...
Lina... the moor. it's 12/8 ... and I feel the rythmchange as 12/8 to halftime... =) But as usual. You can ALWAYS look at time signatures etc. from different perspectives... I feel the change as just a halftime switch... but hey, that's me
... and I feel the rythmchange as 12/8 to halftime... =) But as usual. You can ALWAYS look at time signatures etc. from different perspectives... I feel the change as just a halftime switch... but hey, that's me this is exactly why i dont give a flying fuck about complex time signatures.... instead of doing all dumb complex shit you can write down something like
5 and 1/2 /// 4
is it possible? yes!! theres not a big enough difference for me to awaste my time writing out these ridiculous time signatures
5 and 1/2 /// 4
is it possible? yes!! theres not a big enough difference for me to awaste my time writing out these ridiculous time signatures
Lina
kickass elizabethan style
sorry to get stuck in such a petty argument...but i'm never able to just drop something. 
the moor is in 4/4 god dammmit.
yes, i tried counting it your way and i see what you're doing -- you are able to get all 12 beats in there but here's your problem -- you're counting in triplets. start from 4/4 -- one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. if you double time that, it becomes 8/8. so if you want to count in eighth notes, there would only be 8, not 12. rather than four sets of twos, you're doing four sets of sped-up threes (triplets).
ok, sorry. i can't help myself. all those years of piano and theory weren't for nothing.
the moor is in 4/4 god dammmit.
yes, i tried counting it your way and i see what you're doing -- you are able to get all 12 beats in there but here's your problem -- you're counting in triplets. start from 4/4 -- one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. if you double time that, it becomes 8/8. so if you want to count in eighth notes, there would only be 8, not 12. rather than four sets of twos, you're doing four sets of sped-up threes (triplets). ok, sorry. i can't help myself. all those years of piano and theory weren't for nothing.
You would only call it 4/4 with triplets if there were measures preceding it that defined the main beat as being of equal time to the compound one, only subdivided by two (and it's multiples). If the song starts out with a compound feel, you always just call it 6/8, 12/8 or 9/8 etc. Calling it 4/4 or 2/4 with triplets would just be silly.
Anyway, these time signatures aren't complex or unusual at all. Many people with no theoretical knowledge play them automatically without thinking about it. What I'd consider a complex or unusual time signature is one with an odd beat grouping such as 5, 7, 11, 10 ,13 and the compound versions of these.
Anyway, these time signatures aren't complex or unusual at all. Many people with no theoretical knowledge play them automatically without thinking about it. What I'd consider a complex or unusual time signature is one with an odd beat grouping such as 5, 7, 11, 10 ,13 and the compound versions of these.
Heliologue
neologist
most of it is all ambiguous anyway: the only types of time signatures that really matter are 5/8 and 7/8, because of the odd beats.
(that's why schism is so damn cool)
but really, the only way to tell is by the emphasis of beats.
for instance: you can count something as 4/4 (1-2-3-4)
but if it has a syncopated emphasis ([counted in eigth notes]123-123-12-12) it could be in 8/8 time.
(that's why schism is so damn cool)
but really, the only way to tell is by the emphasis of beats.
for instance: you can count something as 4/4 (1-2-3-4)
but if it has a syncopated emphasis ([counted in eigth notes]123-123-12-12) it could be in 8/8 time.
Morningrise
...I am just thin air...
you can count in a compound way in 4/4. I have songs that are written in 4/4 but each quarter note has a set of triplets simulating the coumpound signature, because each begginning of the quarter note in 4/4 is counted like the begginning of a dotted quarter in 12/8. I have seen multiple examples like this, you can say its silly but its not something that isn't done.
Also I agree with Lina, the Moor is in 4/4 time people, 4/4!!! listen to the first really heavy riff where he starts singing I bang my head with the beat of a quarter note!!
Also I agree with Lina, the Moor is in 4/4 time people, 4/4!!! listen to the first really heavy riff where he starts singing I bang my head with the beat of a quarter note!!
Lina
kickass elizabethan style
Heliologue
neologist
the x/8 time signatures come out a lot in jazz-influenced music. 4-beat swing, for instance, usually is written in 12/8 time, or it becomes awkward.
Morningrise
...I am just thin air...
Saturnix, sorry to disagree but I am pretty sure you are wrong there. I play a lot of jazz and it is ALL in 4/4 (unless your playing some Be-bop or Fusion) The thing with swing jazz is that the eighth note lengths change, so this can sometimes give the illusion that the time signature is different. The first eigth note of a 2 note sequence is played like a dotted eigth note (1.5 times its normal length) whereas the second eigth note is played as a sixteenth (half its normal length), when listening to swing listen to what the drummer does on the ride cymbal, this is actually written as eigth notes. I assure you that for the most part jazz is written in 4/4, and thats about it, VERY rarely written in compound ( x/8 ) signatures.
Hehe and yes Lina we are dorks but there is nothing wrong with that!
Hehe and yes Lina we are dorks but there is nothing wrong with that!
