44th President of the USA

All I'm saying is that people need to take responsibility for themselves, rather than expecting the government to monitor their health or their parenting for them.

I am in total agreeance with you on that. I HATE big Government as much as anyone (GO GO RON PAUL 2008!) but the simple fact remains: As long as medical insurance is in the hands of the private sector, we will be price gouged into poverty and denied medical care at the very first oppertunity, for the simple fact that they're in it for the stock holders, and paying out lowers the profit margin. I, thankfully, have never been in a situation where I've seen this take place, but so help me God if I ever get cancer.

Putting it in the Governments hands gives them yet another measure of power sure, and there could be stipulations that go with it, but in all honesty, I think the good would so far outweigh the bad that it's worth it. Imagine people who need it.. really NEED it getting the health care. No longer worrying about almost getting FIRED for having breast cancer in the middle of surgery/kemo (true story) and losing your medical insurance because you have no job and can't afford $2000 a month. It's broken, and so far, this is the best way anyone has proposed to fix it. You don't like it, make people stop going to the fucking ER for a god damned cold.

I mean, Christ, do we really need the FCC and FDA trying to raise anyone's kids? Also, I'm all for low cost medical care but it should be the people that need it that help to pay for it rather than taxing the people who already have taken care of themselves to provide for those that have not. We shouldn't be punishing the responsible people in order to give the irresponsible people a helping hand. :Puke:

I'd like to know what procedures and caregiving shouldn't be given to what types of people. I'd much rather give $50 a month (which is what I pay for medical insurance now) to taxes for everyone to have the health care they need than to be giving it to the private sector that is so willing to completely fuck me over the instant I fall down.

The illegal immigration problem also feeds into the whole burden on the system issue, but it also helps keep labor costs low, so it may not necessarily stopped. That said, I do remember going to high school with people whose bilingual friends had to translate everything into Spanish for them. Legal? Maybe. Their parents? Very much doubt it. :erk:

Keeping labor costs low is not offsetting the amount of taxes (which you seem to be SO concerned about) you pay for them to have medical care for nothing, wages that aren't taxed (they probably make more than you do), and welfare. So you're willing to pay for all of these things so you don't have to pay for LEGAL immigrants and citizens to get health care? Double standards much? Fun Tip: Illegal workers save big buisnesses money, not you. Savings aren't passed down to you, they're used to increase profits.



I went from weighing 200lb at the beginning of high school to about 140lb near the end, more people just need to take the initiative and be responsible about their health.


Congradulations! And I completely agree about people needing to take more responsibility.
 
Keeping labor costs low is not offsetting the amount of taxes (which you seem to be SO concerned about) you pay for them to have medical care for nothing, wages that aren't taxed (they probably make more than you do), and welfare. So you're willing to pay for all of these things so you don't have to pay for LEGAL immigrants and citizens to get health care? Double standards much? Fun Tip: Illegal workers save big buisnesses money, not you. Savings aren't passed down to you, they're used to increase profits.

I think I worded my position on the issue poorly. I support legal immigration but what I meant to say is that as long as illegal immigration helps keep labor costs down and supports corporate interests there will probably be notable resistance from the business sector (or whoever is benefiting from the situation as is) towards any change or effort to correct the situation.

I'd like to know what procedures and caregiving shouldn't be given to what types of people. I'd much rather give $50 a month (which is what I pay for medical insurance now) to taxes for everyone to have the health care they need than to be giving it to the private sector that is so willing to completely fuck me over the instant I fall down.

That's the problem, if you start providing insurance to everyone, prices are likely going to go up, quality of care will go down and so on. I can only imagine if the uninsured could afford insurance they would have it. The money has to come from somewhere and it likely won't be from those that aren't paying for care at the moment anyways.
 
I think I worded my position on the issue poorly. I support legal immigration but what I meant to say is that as long as illegal immigration helps keep labor costs down and supports corporate interests there will probably be notable resistance from the business sector (or whoever is benefiting from the situation as is) towards any change or effort to correct the situation.

Oh, yes, absolutely. However, in Arizona, the public has spoken, and an anti-illegal labor law goes into effect essentially February 1 targeting the buisnesses who hire illegal labor, threatening their buisness licenses. Several hispanic catering buisnesses (read- illegal immigrant catering) have already seen substantial declines in sales. They say it's unfair and they're being put out of buisness. I say adapt and survive or sink while I laugh. It's their own fault for structuring their buisness plans around people who are here illegally.



That's the problem, if you start providing insurance to everyone, prices are likely going to go up, quality of care will go down and so on. I can only imagine if the uninsured could afford insurance they would have it. The money has to come from somewhere and it likely won't be from those that aren't paying for care at the moment anyways.


And yet, the uninsured still get care if they need it. And pay almost nothing for it. Illegal or not. Medical bills of the uninsured or under insured cost you millions of dollars in taxes as it is. The only difference would be the amount of lives financially ruined. What do you think happens to the cancer patient who suddenly files bankrupcy for a $2 million hospital bill? Do you think the doctors say "OH WELL, ANOTHER PRO-BONO CASE!" and the hospital says "FREE CARE FOR ALL!" ...no. They write it off. Which, in turn, drives down their own tax paying funds, which limits your return every April.

You're screwed if you do and screwed if you don't. I just think Government funded health care (funded being the key word, not regulated) would help alleviate hardships on those who are truely sick.

However, as I said, I'm certianly all ears to any idea that doesn't involve government or private sector insurance.
 
On the health insurance issue....while hospitals won't do this, and I'm not sure how widespread it is, but my Ob/Gyn actually discounted my first visit to her (which included a biopsy) by 30% because I didn't have healthcare at the time, which meant no paperwork for them to fill out. The costs at the Doc's office are as much about breaking even with profit, as they are about the time and money that goes into dealing with Insurance companies. I like the fact that I have insurance now, though I don't know how much since they're raising my premiums this month. Probably won't be able to afford it next year. At any rate, I much preferred having my savings account stacked, in the event I had an emergency, than having to deal with paying out every month (and I have a tailored health plan, so I'm not paying out for stuff I'll never need).
 
Just FYI on the Bank of America thing, they issue SS#s to people who don't have them. They look like this: 00-000-1003 (and I'm sure that's someone's on their account listing). Seriously.

My other bitch. While I was in LA this last weekend, my hotel failed to give me a "do not disturb" sign for my door, so I just flipped the spare lock to keep them from interrupting my sleep. Housekeeping called 30 minutes after coming by my room, addressing me in Spanish first. I responded in English, saying I had no clue what she was saying. She continued in Spanish, eventually I just said, "No" and hung up. Now, if the people cleaning the rooms don't speak English, that's fine. But the least they could do is have someone who is at the call desk, that speaks English. I'm sorry, but how does the name, "Weidenbach" translate into "I speak Spanish"?

That is ILLEGAL in itself! It is the job solely of Social Security to issue those #'s! I hope the bastards that run them are imprisoned!
 
they probably issue the "SS" #'s as customer identifiers in their systems. by the way, do you not have a period key on your keyboard? If not, I could mail you one.

yeah, actually, i do. which is why i used it when i was ending a sentence. you must have missed it, though, they are quite different from a comma. that whole tail thing must have thrown ya.
 
I didn't think I needed to quote him, due to his being the post above mine, and also his EVERY post consisting only of excamation points. :-P

Does your keyboard have an "L"? :lol:


--Sorry, I'm an occasional proofreader :)



In related Presidential news, I see that my old unlamented Congresscritter is running for the Green Party nomination. Or maybe she has it already, I dunno. That should assure them of at least a couple of thousand votes nationwide. :rolleyes:
 
....by the way, do you not have a period key on your keyboard? If not, I could mail you one.

Yes, of course it does. I just use exclamation points more often, because I am trying to say it w/more emphasis, ya' know? I guess you'd have to know me to understand. I speak very boldly & sternly about subjects & things that I feel strong about.:Smug:
 
I didn't think I needed to quote him, due to his being the post above mine, and also his EVERY post consisting only of excamation points. :-P

Oh for f**k sakes! ... !!!!!!!!!!!! Of all the things to bitch about - this is a new low, especially in spite of the topics in this thread. (You know, real problems) :Smug:

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Oh for f**k sakes! ... !!!!!!!!!!!! Of all the things to bitch about - this is a new low, especially in spite of the topics in this thread. (You know, real problems) :Smug:

!!!!!!!!!!!

OH GOD. YOU PEOPLE SERIOUSLY NEED TO LIGHTEN UP.

or, maybe..

OH GOD, YOU PEOPRE SERIOUSRY NEED TO RIGHTEN UP. considering my terribre rack of "L"s :goggly: