Erik said:
yes I have been. Havent you? I was making a point that doesnt have much to do with the metal scene, just culture in general--although I know a few of the metal labels have consolidated in the last year or two.
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yes I have been. Havent you? I was making a point that doesnt have much to do with the metal scene, just culture in general--although I know a few of the metal labels have consolidated in the last year or two.
Good point. I'm generalizing, and I probably did take it too far; I definately did for metal.
Still, I cant believe people arent noticing the corporatization of everything, especially culture and the media? Think about it, is all I am asking. It is becoming increasingly impossible for an artist that is a little different to reach any audience at all, because they are not marketable.
Still, I cant believe people arent noticing the corporatization of everything, especially culture and the media? Think about it, is all I am asking. It is becoming increasingly impossible for an artist that is a little different to reach any audience at all, because they are not marketable.
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hibernal_dream
A Mind Forever Voyaging
Question to speed - the metal era has been going for, what, less than three decades. This is a rather short time and I wouldn't have expected it to have develop much, if at all. To my knowledge the classical music era only got going after it's first 30 or 40 years, its origins were just a slight development of baroque, and the "masters" (Mozart, Beethoven) came into play after 50 years. Don't you think its hasty to judge the development of metal so soon? I, like Final Product, think metal has evolved reasonably well and while it may appear stagnant, I attribute that mainly to the sheer volume of irrelevant bands in the scene. Of course, we could expect a quicker development in than the 18th century (population, information, distribution) but true inspiration takes time. Instead of looking at the crap in metal, look at the leaders over the 30 year history and go from there. One leading band or concept or idea per decade isn't a bad achievement in my mind
As for culture, I agree with your point that the market tends towards homogeneity by nature, but don't the audience have an interest in receiving stuff that is different? If you concede that some bands that know they will not profit from making different music but do so nonetheless, and that people like yourself are interested in consuming music that is different, why should the corporate aspect matter? This sort of sub-culture is always the stage for art's development, and it has been so for centuries - Dushan S pointed this out with the classical artists example.
I think some people are ready for a new cycle, a new phase in the development of music. But it will be a while before most of the public are ready for it - i think this is necessary for such a big change. Hence the change may not come for a while- lets hope it does within our lifetimes.
As for culture, I agree with your point that the market tends towards homogeneity by nature, but don't the audience have an interest in receiving stuff that is different? If you concede that some bands that know they will not profit from making different music but do so nonetheless, and that people like yourself are interested in consuming music that is different, why should the corporate aspect matter? This sort of sub-culture is always the stage for art's development, and it has been so for centuries - Dushan S pointed this out with the classical artists example.
I think some people are ready for a new cycle, a new phase in the development of music. But it will be a while before most of the public are ready for it - i think this is necessary for such a big change. Hence the change may not come for a while- lets hope it does within our lifetimes.
Erik
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I am NOTICING it, but I am IGNORING it. I do not own a TV, I do not listen to radio, I do not read magazines or newspapers. I live practically isolated from corporate media; at least as much as I can.speed said:
Erik said:
Well its nice to see a man practicing his beliefs. I do read the horrible news-less newspapers, I also read some sports magazines, listen to the radio in the car, and I watch T.V. late, every night. Perhaps thats why I have become so concerned?
I am also glad this thread has been so interesting, and has proven me to reconsider many of my assumptions.
And as for corporations and money taking over art, perhaps that is a topic for another thread.
Hibernal Dream: you do make a good point about metal. It is only thirty years old, and that is a very short time for a musical genre. Also, I do agree with you, most good things come from subgenres.
derek
Grey Eminence
Do you commiserate with people who do utilize the media? Like say, for instance, this forum?Erik said:
Then you are not free of it's influence. Most peoples opinions come from their televisions. Talking to these people forces you to interact with these media-influenced opinions.
You want to be free of it all, completely and totally? Hermitage is the only method that achieves this. Otherwise, you have to be selective and qualitative in the process of filtering information. You can hear all of it, but you have to make a decision to question it and its veracity before you accept it. This doesn't mean simple blind acceptance of the platitudes ponied up by whatever political "side" you identify yourself with either.
Final_Product said:Thats definately your problem! Late night TV can make anyone feel dismayed!
I disagree, its the only Tv I can watch: Reruns of the Simpsons, Seinfeld, The Daily Show, Colbert Report, Old Twilight zones, old movies, old boxing matches.
Blaphbee said:
Erik is a hermetically sealed Thrash warrior from northern Sweden. He laughs at the media and trends.
Erik
New Metal Member
I identify myself with no political "sides", I more or less completely reject modern politics and demonstratively refuse voting; I don't really want to acknowledge this whole modern "democracy" circus.Blaphbee said:
Anyway, I am fully aware that I am not free of media influence but I can at least try to minimize its impact upon me. I am compromising; I do want to be able to function in society because as you know it is very difficult to live entirely outside of it, and I value the education and whatnot I am currently receiving, but yes, I try to be very selective with what I accept as true and/or useful information. People try to discuss POLITICS or CURRENT EVENTS or POP MUSIC with me and I go "
ok!" I live in modern society and can function in it as necessary but I keep my eyes open and am very wary of the beast. To quote Mr. Prozak:Kinda like that, except I don't have a compost heap and I don't really know or care about surrealist art at this point.
Nail, head, hit.speed said:
Erik
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Lord SteveO
Hero in a world of demons
I'd say his paintings are surrealist, at least some of them are. The one you've shown is a good example.
It's probably a good mix of surrealism and expresionism. Though some of his other paintings were not very surreal, like the self portrait one of himself. Really depends on your own interpretation of them i suppose.
It's probably a good mix of surrealism and expresionism. Though some of his other paintings were not very surreal, like the self portrait one of himself. Really depends on your own interpretation of them i suppose.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
hurray.speed said:
As for metal, from death comes life. From the ashes of the collapse of the genre, a new form of art will arise. Art periods live and die, but art itself lives on eternal, because humanity is gripped with the desire for expression.
speed said:
I don't know, but it's so stagnant now that no new fans of note are coming in and staying.
It can resurrect itself, IF these idiots die out of the genre.
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