I´m not talking about private companies, I´m talking about public service, including health. It should never follow market rules.
Adam Carolla goes on rant about OWS
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I´m not talking about private companies, I´m talking about public service, including health. It should never follow market rules.
Mutant
I hate that supercow !
Mindmunch i suggest you go and troll some pro stock/forex trading forums with your golden thoughts, you will get eaten alive, but maybe at least you will learn something about the world you are living in.
EOT for me.
EOT for me.
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The world sucks so bad, I don't understand the bashing on the protesters. They're not making your life worse or anything.
It's all fucked everywhere. Let them make noise about it
It's all fucked everywhere. Let them make noise about it
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This still stands folks. I perfectly willing to hear what OWS supporters have to say to this post. So far Egan is the only one that has responded to me.
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Not making fun of the misery of others is a good start.
I think it's all about opening the eyes of this self centered world we live in.
Maybe it will take ages, but compassion should be a standard
I think it's all about opening the eyes of this self centered world we live in.
Maybe it will take ages, but compassion should be a standard
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Thanks for answering Gustavo.
What youre saying is really vague. Everyone should be nice to each other. Believe it or not I actually treat everyone I meet very well, volunteer at charity, support the humane society etc.
A political movement that wants to change the whole world needs more than this.
What youre saying is really vague. Everyone should be nice to each other. Believe it or not I actually treat everyone I meet very well, volunteer at charity, support the humane society etc.
A political movement that wants to change the whole world needs more than this.
Oh, yeah, these guys know how to operate a working economy. This year, on a single day, I´ve seen the stock market here goes down 10%. ON A SINGLE DAY. People throwing themselves out of the window. But yeah, last time I checked they had to read at least basic literature on capitalism to understand the system they´re living in, so I guess they´re better than you and Adam.
everybody's x
My name is Damage
Ok mutant I'm back (self -employed too)
So you're saying in the early 70's when solidarity was in it's infancy, it had a fully coherent message and the support of the country? Three months into the movement? Color me skeptical.
Polls here show public support of #OWS is in the 60% range FYI.
Do you NOT see that all the ways you list that the rich can subvert the laws we all have to abide by is EXACTLY THE FUCKING PROBLEM? Those loopholes SHOULD NOT EXIST. And didn't until the lie of supply side economics became dogma.
This is about closing loopholes, leveling the playing field, stopping outsourcing and putting thieves in fucking prison.
Have you been under the boot of an over-zealous cop? Been jailed for expressing yourself?
I have.
So you're saying in the early 70's when solidarity was in it's infancy, it had a fully coherent message and the support of the country? Three months into the movement? Color me skeptical.
Polls here show public support of #OWS is in the 60% range FYI.
Do you NOT see that all the ways you list that the rich can subvert the laws we all have to abide by is EXACTLY THE FUCKING PROBLEM? Those loopholes SHOULD NOT EXIST. And didn't until the lie of supply side economics became dogma.
This is about closing loopholes, leveling the playing field, stopping outsourcing and putting thieves in fucking prison.
Have you been under the boot of an over-zealous cop? Been jailed for expressing yourself?
I have.
everybody's x
My name is Damage
And before anyone paints me as some entitled ignorant cry-baby hippy. I spent half my childhood homeless. I was able to eat and stay alive because of food stamps. My mother was injured and uninsured and unemployed for nearly a year, she could not walk.Because those programs allowed me to live I put myself through college. I scrubbed toilets, I dug ditches. I started a company that did well, I started another that also does well. I employ 35 people full time, I own a home and a studio.
I don't pay minimum wage, I don't outsource to 3rd world countries or employ Chinese slaves for pennies on the dollar. I pay my fucking taxes because I am a fucking patriot. I support the movement because I come from the working poor and I will loudly and angrily protest the corporate ownership of my country and those who'd seek to deny the next generation of America s the opportunities it afforded me.
I don't pay minimum wage, I don't outsource to 3rd world countries or employ Chinese slaves for pennies on the dollar. I pay my fucking taxes because I am a fucking patriot. I support the movement because I come from the working poor and I will loudly and angrily protest the corporate ownership of my country and those who'd seek to deny the next generation of America s the opportunities it afforded me.
Loki Laufeyiarson
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Maybe a good start would be trying not to buy stuff from American/European companies that has "made in China" or any other low income country on it. If you can spend the time, search for a local bank or use credit unions and close your regular bank account. And don't spend money you don't have, so no credit-cards or loans.
everybody's x
My name is Damage
Genius Gone Insane
http://www.¯\(°_o)/¯.com
^^^This is actually a great quote. It deserves more attention than a random thread in a heavy metal forum.
everybody's x
My name is Damage
Oh lookie! Here's the protests NOT accomplishing anything
*sarcasm*
http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/obama-meets-occupy-wall-street
*sarcasm*
http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/obama-meets-occupy-wall-street
everybody's x
My name is Damage
My name is Patrick Meighan, and I’m a husband, a father, a writer on the Fox animated sitcom “Family Guy”, and a member of the Unitarian Universalist Community Church of Santa Monica.
I was arrested at about 1 a.m. Wednesday morning with 291 other people at Occupy LA. I was sitting in City Hall Park with a pillow, a blanket, and a copy of Thich Nhat Hanh’s “Being Peace” when 1,400 heavily-armed LAPD officers in paramilitary SWAT gear streamed in. I was in a group of about 50 peaceful protestors who sat Indian-style, arms interlocked, around a tent (the symbolic image of the Occupy movement). The LAPD officers encircled us, weapons drawn, while we chanted “We Are Peaceful” and “We Are Nonviolent” and “Join Us.”
As we sat there, encircled, a separate team of LAPD officers used knives to slice open every personal tent in the park. They forcibly removed anyone sleeping inside, and then yanked out and destroyed any personal property inside those tents, scattering the contents across the park. They then did the same with the communal property of the Occupy LA movement. For example, I watched as the LAPD destroyed a pop-up canopy tent that, until that moment, had been serving as Occupy LA’s First Aid and Wellness tent, in which volunteer health professionals gave free medical care to absolutely anyone who requested it. As it happens, my family had personally contributed that exact canopy tent to Occupy LA, at a cost of several hundred of my family’s dollars. As I watched, the LAPD sliced that canopy tent to shreds, broke the telescoping poles into pieces and scattered the detritus across the park. Note that these were the objects described in subsequent mainstream press reports as “30 tons of garbage” that was “abandoned” by Occupy LA: personal property forcibly stolen from us, destroyed in front of our eyes and then left for maintenance workers to dispose of while we were sent to prison.
When the LAPD finally began arresting those of us interlocked around the symbolic tent, we were all ordered by the LAPD to unlink from each other (in order to facilitate the arrests). Each seated, nonviolent protester beside me who refused to cooperate by unlinking his arms had the following done to him: an LAPD officer would forcibly extend the protestor’s legs, grab his left foot, twist it all the way around and then stomp his boot on the insole, pinning the protestor’s left foot to the pavement, twisted backwards. Then the LAPD officer would grab the protestor’s right foot and twist it all the way the other direction until the non-violent protestor, in incredible agony, would shriek in pain and unlink from his neighbor.
It was horrible to watch, and apparently designed to terrorize the rest of us. At least I was sufficiently terrorized. I unlinked my arms voluntarily and informed the LAPD officers that I would go peacefully and cooperatively. I stood as instructed, and then I had my arms wrenched behind my back, and an officer hyperextended my wrists into my inner arms. It was super violent, it hurt really really bad, and he was doing it on purpose. When I involuntarily recoiled from the pain, the LAPD officer threw me face-first to the pavement. He had my hands behind my back, so I landed right on my face. The officer dropped with his knee on my back and ground my face into the pavement. It really, really hurt and my face started bleeding and I was very scared. I begged for mercy and I promised that I was honestly not resisting and would not resist.
My hands were then zipcuffed very tightly behind my back, where they turned blue. I am now suffering nerve damage in my right thumb and palm.
I was put on a paddywagon with other nonviolent protestors and taken to a parking garage in Parker Center. They forced us to kneel on the hard pavement of that parking garage for seven straight hours with our hands still tightly zipcuffed behind our backs. Some began to pass out. One man rolled to the ground and vomited for a long, long time before falling unconscious. The LAPD officers watched and did nothing.
At 9 a.m. we were finally taken from the pavement into the station to be processed. The charge was sitting in the park after the police said not to. It’s a misdemeanor. Almost always, for a misdemeanor, the police just give you a ticket and let you go. It costs you a couple hundred dollars. Apparently, that’s what happened with most every other misdemeanor arrest in LA that day.
With us Occupy LA protestors, however, they set bail at $5,000 and booked us into jail. Almost none of the protesters could afford to bail themselves out. I’m lucky and I could afford it, except the LAPD spent all day refusing to actually *accept* the bail they set. If you were an accused murderer or a rapist in LAPD custody that day, you could bail yourself right out and be back on the street, no problem. But if you were a nonviolent Occupy LA protestor with bail money in hand, you were held long into the following morning, with absolutely no access to a lawyer.
I spent most of my day and night crammed into an eight-man jail cell, along with sixteen other Occupy LA protesters. My sleeping spot was on the floor next to the toilet.
Finally, at 2:30 the next morning, after twenty-five hours in custody, I was released on bail. But there were at least 200 Occupy LA protestors who couldn’t afford the bail. The LAPD chose to keep those peaceful, non-violent protesters in prison for two full days… the absolute legal maximum that the LAPD is allowed to detain someone on misdemeanor charges.
As a reminder, Antonio Villaraigosa has referred to all of this as “the LAPD’s finest hour.”
So that’s what happened to the 292 women and men were arrested last Wednesday. Now let’s talk about a man who was not arrested last Wednesday. He is former Citigroup CEO Charles Prince. Under Charles Prince, Citigroup was guilty of massive, coordinated securities fraud.
Citigroup spent years intentionally buying up every bad mortgage loan it could find, creating bad securities out of those bad loans and then selling shares in those bad securities to duped investors. And then they sometimes secretly bet *against* their *own* bad securities to make even more money. For one such bad Citigroup security, Citigroup executives were internally calling it, quote, “a collection of dogshit”. To investors, however, they called it, quote, “an attractive investment rigorously selected by an independent investment adviser”.
This is fraud, and it’s a felony, and the Charles Princes of the world spent several years doing it again and again: knowingly writing bad mortgages, and then packaging them into fraudulent securities which they then sold to suckers and then repeating the process. This is a big part of why your property values went up so fast. But then the bubble burst, and that’s why our economy is now shattered for a generation, and it’s also why your home is now underwater. Or at least mine is.
Anyway, if your retirement fund lost a decade’s-worth of gains overnight, this is why.
If your son’s middle school has added furlough days because the school district can’t afford to keep its doors open for a full school year, this is why.
If your daughter has come out of college with a degree only to discover that there are no jobs for her, this is why.
But back to Charles Prince. For his four years of in charge of massive, repeated fraud at Citigroup, he received fifty-three million dollars in salary and also received another ninety-four million dollars in stock holdings. What Charles Prince has *not* received is a pair of zipcuffs. The nerves in his thumb are fine. No cop has thrown Charles Prince into the pavement, face-first. Each and every peaceful, nonviolent Occupy LA protester arrested last week has has spent more time sleeping on a jail floor than every single Charles Prince on Wall Street, combined.
The more I think about that, the madder I get. What does it say about our country that nonviolent protesters are given the bottom of a police boot while those who steal hundreds of billions, do trillions worth of damage to our economy and shatter our social fabric for a generation are not only spared the zipcuffs but showered with rewards?
In any event, believe it or not, I’m really not angry that I got arrested. I chose to get arrested. And I’m not even angry that the mayor and the LAPD decided to give non-violent protestors like me a little extra shiv in jail (although I’m not especially grateful for it either).
I’m just really angry that every single Charles Prince wasn’t in jail with me.
Thank you for letting me share that anger with you today.
Patrick Meighan
I was arrested at about 1 a.m. Wednesday morning with 291 other people at Occupy LA. I was sitting in City Hall Park with a pillow, a blanket, and a copy of Thich Nhat Hanh’s “Being Peace” when 1,400 heavily-armed LAPD officers in paramilitary SWAT gear streamed in. I was in a group of about 50 peaceful protestors who sat Indian-style, arms interlocked, around a tent (the symbolic image of the Occupy movement). The LAPD officers encircled us, weapons drawn, while we chanted “We Are Peaceful” and “We Are Nonviolent” and “Join Us.”
As we sat there, encircled, a separate team of LAPD officers used knives to slice open every personal tent in the park. They forcibly removed anyone sleeping inside, and then yanked out and destroyed any personal property inside those tents, scattering the contents across the park. They then did the same with the communal property of the Occupy LA movement. For example, I watched as the LAPD destroyed a pop-up canopy tent that, until that moment, had been serving as Occupy LA’s First Aid and Wellness tent, in which volunteer health professionals gave free medical care to absolutely anyone who requested it. As it happens, my family had personally contributed that exact canopy tent to Occupy LA, at a cost of several hundred of my family’s dollars. As I watched, the LAPD sliced that canopy tent to shreds, broke the telescoping poles into pieces and scattered the detritus across the park. Note that these were the objects described in subsequent mainstream press reports as “30 tons of garbage” that was “abandoned” by Occupy LA: personal property forcibly stolen from us, destroyed in front of our eyes and then left for maintenance workers to dispose of while we were sent to prison.
When the LAPD finally began arresting those of us interlocked around the symbolic tent, we were all ordered by the LAPD to unlink from each other (in order to facilitate the arrests). Each seated, nonviolent protester beside me who refused to cooperate by unlinking his arms had the following done to him: an LAPD officer would forcibly extend the protestor’s legs, grab his left foot, twist it all the way around and then stomp his boot on the insole, pinning the protestor’s left foot to the pavement, twisted backwards. Then the LAPD officer would grab the protestor’s right foot and twist it all the way the other direction until the non-violent protestor, in incredible agony, would shriek in pain and unlink from his neighbor.
It was horrible to watch, and apparently designed to terrorize the rest of us. At least I was sufficiently terrorized. I unlinked my arms voluntarily and informed the LAPD officers that I would go peacefully and cooperatively. I stood as instructed, and then I had my arms wrenched behind my back, and an officer hyperextended my wrists into my inner arms. It was super violent, it hurt really really bad, and he was doing it on purpose. When I involuntarily recoiled from the pain, the LAPD officer threw me face-first to the pavement. He had my hands behind my back, so I landed right on my face. The officer dropped with his knee on my back and ground my face into the pavement. It really, really hurt and my face started bleeding and I was very scared. I begged for mercy and I promised that I was honestly not resisting and would not resist.
My hands were then zipcuffed very tightly behind my back, where they turned blue. I am now suffering nerve damage in my right thumb and palm.
I was put on a paddywagon with other nonviolent protestors and taken to a parking garage in Parker Center. They forced us to kneel on the hard pavement of that parking garage for seven straight hours with our hands still tightly zipcuffed behind our backs. Some began to pass out. One man rolled to the ground and vomited for a long, long time before falling unconscious. The LAPD officers watched and did nothing.
At 9 a.m. we were finally taken from the pavement into the station to be processed. The charge was sitting in the park after the police said not to. It’s a misdemeanor. Almost always, for a misdemeanor, the police just give you a ticket and let you go. It costs you a couple hundred dollars. Apparently, that’s what happened with most every other misdemeanor arrest in LA that day.
With us Occupy LA protestors, however, they set bail at $5,000 and booked us into jail. Almost none of the protesters could afford to bail themselves out. I’m lucky and I could afford it, except the LAPD spent all day refusing to actually *accept* the bail they set. If you were an accused murderer or a rapist in LAPD custody that day, you could bail yourself right out and be back on the street, no problem. But if you were a nonviolent Occupy LA protestor with bail money in hand, you were held long into the following morning, with absolutely no access to a lawyer.
I spent most of my day and night crammed into an eight-man jail cell, along with sixteen other Occupy LA protesters. My sleeping spot was on the floor next to the toilet.
Finally, at 2:30 the next morning, after twenty-five hours in custody, I was released on bail. But there were at least 200 Occupy LA protestors who couldn’t afford the bail. The LAPD chose to keep those peaceful, non-violent protesters in prison for two full days… the absolute legal maximum that the LAPD is allowed to detain someone on misdemeanor charges.
As a reminder, Antonio Villaraigosa has referred to all of this as “the LAPD’s finest hour.”
So that’s what happened to the 292 women and men were arrested last Wednesday. Now let’s talk about a man who was not arrested last Wednesday. He is former Citigroup CEO Charles Prince. Under Charles Prince, Citigroup was guilty of massive, coordinated securities fraud.
Citigroup spent years intentionally buying up every bad mortgage loan it could find, creating bad securities out of those bad loans and then selling shares in those bad securities to duped investors. And then they sometimes secretly bet *against* their *own* bad securities to make even more money. For one such bad Citigroup security, Citigroup executives were internally calling it, quote, “a collection of dogshit”. To investors, however, they called it, quote, “an attractive investment rigorously selected by an independent investment adviser”.
This is fraud, and it’s a felony, and the Charles Princes of the world spent several years doing it again and again: knowingly writing bad mortgages, and then packaging them into fraudulent securities which they then sold to suckers and then repeating the process. This is a big part of why your property values went up so fast. But then the bubble burst, and that’s why our economy is now shattered for a generation, and it’s also why your home is now underwater. Or at least mine is.
Anyway, if your retirement fund lost a decade’s-worth of gains overnight, this is why.
If your son’s middle school has added furlough days because the school district can’t afford to keep its doors open for a full school year, this is why.
If your daughter has come out of college with a degree only to discover that there are no jobs for her, this is why.
But back to Charles Prince. For his four years of in charge of massive, repeated fraud at Citigroup, he received fifty-three million dollars in salary and also received another ninety-four million dollars in stock holdings. What Charles Prince has *not* received is a pair of zipcuffs. The nerves in his thumb are fine. No cop has thrown Charles Prince into the pavement, face-first. Each and every peaceful, nonviolent Occupy LA protester arrested last week has has spent more time sleeping on a jail floor than every single Charles Prince on Wall Street, combined.
The more I think about that, the madder I get. What does it say about our country that nonviolent protesters are given the bottom of a police boot while those who steal hundreds of billions, do trillions worth of damage to our economy and shatter our social fabric for a generation are not only spared the zipcuffs but showered with rewards?
In any event, believe it or not, I’m really not angry that I got arrested. I chose to get arrested. And I’m not even angry that the mayor and the LAPD decided to give non-violent protestors like me a little extra shiv in jail (although I’m not especially grateful for it either).
I’m just really angry that every single Charles Prince wasn’t in jail with me.
Thank you for letting me share that anger with you today.
Patrick Meighan
drew_drummer
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Y'know, every time I read something you write, you really do come across as a massive cunt.
midget donkeys
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Now I have some replies. Thanks, I will read them all when I get some time.
Buying American made stuff is tough. I used to buy New Balance shoes because they were made in America, but they eventually moved their production overseas. This ties into something I have thought for a long time now. Americans want high paying jobs, but they want to buy products at prices so low that they cannot be produced in America.
I think the credit union thing is pretty good idea. During the financial crisis a lot of smaller banks got eaten up by bigger banks, so that the bank that had my mortgage was taken over by a larger one. I don't think I will be attempting to move my mortgage. But I have thought of using the local credit union for day to day banking before.
I agree with the credit card thing. I didn't even have one until I was 30 and needed to build a credit rating so I could buy a house.
Mutant
I hate that supercow !
LOL every time ?
Well i guess i am not a massive enough cunt to resort to rude insults.
Stay cold, people will respect you more.
JeffTD
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As hard as it is to believe, over 80% of what American's purchase is made in the USA.
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The first one of these about the foreclosures is indeed some bad stuff. I checked other news sources to confirm it. This is the kind of stuff I do (and will in this case) write my representative in congress about.
The second one doesn't do anything for me. I don't know the actual circumstance of the guys arrest or rather non arrest, only what he is saying. I am not saying he is lying but I can't tell what is true based of this information. His assertion at the end that the government may make him disappear is absurd. Stuff like this is not going to convert me.
Thanks for the replies.
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