Advise on mixing Deathcore Guitars

[Lipown]

Hi
can you give me some advises about doing guitars? I recorded a clean guitar direct through instrument in:

http://soundcloud.com/lipo-1/guitarleftinstrumentinfasttpro

and puting it into ReValver and some other vst, but still sounds crappy. This is my firts time mixing trying to make guitars sounds good first... but iam desperate really ... this is my mix. iam still working on it...

http://soundcloud.com/lipo-1/mixing

Iam from band Cinzana Bianca (www.myspace.com/cinzanabianca) and trying to do us some preproduction on next ep .

 

[Lipown]

There missing some vocals... Pls focus on guitars thanx a lot

 

[Robert W]

Maybe try some different amp sims, like LePou's or the X-30/50. Also, try some better cab IRs. Plenty of good free IRs here,

http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum.php?f=32

 

[Lipown]

Thank you ... i try

 

[Charles J]

this is just SCREAMING for a 5150. Try X-50!

BTW, this is some of the strangest 'deathcore' i've ever heard. DEF not going to make it easier to find a good tone!

 

[Lipown]

i know... We are trying to play some funny deathcore ... like try to mix heavy metal with dc (the heavy high vocals missing ), some jazz, raga and another genres ... i know that we chosed really bad song for our first mix ... check out our ep on myspace in first post

Btw i cant find about X-50 .. its a VST or plugin to ReValver?

 

[Spiritbeast]

i know... We are trying to play some funny deathcore ... like try to mix heavy metal with dc (the heavy high vocals missing ), some jazz, raga and another genres ... i know that we chosed really bad song for our first mix ... check out our ep on myspace in first post

Btw i cant find about X-50 .. its a VST or plugin to ReValver?

Get x50 here http://www.theserinaexperiment.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=85

To use it, you'll need a cab sim program, or an impulse loader. (Read more about impulses here: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/production-tips/427135-impulse-faq.html)

I recommend LeCab2 http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/2010/12/lecab2-vst-for-windows.html for the loader, and the God's Cab impulses for your impulses http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap/676371-free-mesa-os-4x12-v30-impulses-you.html

You'll be dialing in sick tones in no time!

EDIT: Also, a kickass bass track will make your guitar tracks sound WAY bigger. No doubt. This tutorial is sweet:

 

[Lipown]

Get x50 here http://www.theserinaexperiment.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=85

To use it, you'll need a cab sim program, or an impulse loader. (Read more about impulses here: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/production-tips/427135-impulse-faq.html)

I recommend LeCab2 http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/2010/12/lecab2-vst-for-windows.html for the loader, and the God's Cab impulses for your impulses http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap/676371-free-mesa-os-4x12-v30-impulses-you.html

You'll be dialing in sick tones in no time!

EDIT: Also, a kickass bass track will make your guitar tracks sound WAY bigger. No doubt. This tutorial is sweet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mol6awk_aDo

Greath thx! Tell me what is your fav impulse I tried this setup and it sounds great for me but i need reference... cause once i setup guitar and play a song that i want to have similliar guitar mine is totaly crap
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4859742/setup.png
and it sounds like
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4859742/guitartest.mp3 ... and its crapy when i can play it with for example woe is me D
I still think that there is big problem with low mids as i did a guitar chain through ReValver :/

Do anybody have some mixed good deathcore track that i can put into cubase as a reference?

 

[kernelxsanders]

try the S_pres-high and Greg's Beta impulses, that'll make those guitar tracks shine. also try doing a freq analyzer to see where in the low mids you should cut.

 

[mstone564]

Getting a good coherence between the bass and guitars is a big thing.

Of course have good pickups, new strings, and a tight performance helps a lot, but I personally like A/B'ing my guitars with another mix (maybe one where I know what amp, sim, impulse, ect. was used) and try to get a sound close to that.

 

[Robert W]

Lipown,

Try this tube screamer sim instead,

http://www.theserinaexperiment.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36

 

[Lipown]

Here is an ultra progression i think

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4859742/guitartest1.mp3

And scheme:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4859742/guitartestset1.png

Really thank you guys! Its great progression with that sound.. I think soon there will be a good tone that i need

I can process only one guitar cause dual core for that vst's are not enough. Anybody know how to lower usage of processors? Working on laptop cause iam not home :/...

 

[Robert W]

Here is an ultra progression i think

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4859742/guitartest1.mp3

And scheme:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4859742/guitartestset1.png

Really thank you guys! Its great progression with that sound.. I think soon there will be a good tone that i need

I can process only one guitar cause dual core for that vst's are not enough. Anybody know how to lower usage of processors? Working on laptop cause iam not home :/...

Sounds like you're getting some "flub" on with your palm mutes.

Also, try these IRs. I've found the work very nicely together,
Engl IRs
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=13657

Marshall IRs
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2947

Play around with these in LeCab to get the best levels. Higher levels of Marshall are good for medium to slow chugging, while a higher Engl level sounds good for Metallica-like riffs.

 

[Lipown]

Sounds like you're getting some "flub" on with your palm mutes.

Also, try these IRs. I've found the work very nicely together,
Engl IRs
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=13657

Marshall IRs
http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2947

Play around with these in LeCab to get the best levels. Higher levels of Marshall are good for medium to slow chugging, while a higher Engl level sounds good for Metallica-like riffs.

I want our guitarist to put new strings on and rerecord it i know the palm mutes arent clear.. this is only test version on which i want learn how to mix. Iam bad at english - the flub you mean the high crushing sound on palm mutes? Thanks for the IR.. iam going to try them now

 

[Robert W]

Flub is that bassy resonance you get sometimes when your palm mutes are not accurate.

Also, flub seems to lurk around the 200-500hZ range, at least in my experience. It's something to watch out for when you're downtuning.

 

[Lipown]

Flub is that bassy resonance you get sometimes when your palm mutes are not accurate.

Also, flub seems to lurk around the 200-500hZ range, at least in my experience. It's something to watch out for when you're downtuning.

Iam not sure if i think the same. You mean the breakdown part. There is the think when you do palm mute (maybe the sound is called djent my friend explained me yesterday) when you not pushing so hard on strings and you will get the resonance. Do you mean that sound?

 

[Robert W]

Iam not sure if i think the same. You mean the breakdown part. There is the think when you do palm mute (maybe the sound is called djent my friend explained me yesterday) when you not pushing so hard on strings and you will get the resonance. Do you mean that sound?

Definition of ONOMATOPOEIA
1
: the naming of a thing or action by a vocal imitation of the sound associated with it (as buzz, hiss)

Djent and flub are examples of this.

For flub, yes, this is sound you sometimes get when you don't push down hard enough on a palm mute.

 

[Lipown]

Definition of ONOMATOPOEIA
1
: the naming of a thing or action by a vocal imitation of the sound associated with it (as buzz, hiss)

Djent and flub are examples of this.

For flub, yes, this is sound you sometimes get when you don't push down hard enough on a palm mute.

Haha you are great! Thank you... Yesterday at night u tryed to remove some freqs with cuts but its helped not much i Try to do this on my pc and try to not rip my hair of

So i try to explain that to our guitarist that we want djent not flub ) Btw any advice to get the flub out? Different technique of pm?

 

[Robert W]

Haha you are great! Thank you... Yesterday at night u trued to remove some freqs with cuts but helped not much i Try to do this on my pc and try to not rip my hair of

Do not rely on the EQ so much. You should be able to get a good tone with just a tube screamer, amp sim, and cab sim. If you are finding that you need to do a lot of EQing, then you should go back and change you amp settings. Ideally, you should just need to use the EQ for high/low passes.

 

[Lipown]

Do not rely on the EQ so much. You should be able to get a good tone with just a tube screamer, amp sim, and cab sim. If you are finding that you need to do a lot of EQing, then you should go back and change you amp settings. Ideally, you should just need to use the EQ for high/low passes.

Thank you! So the flub tone is depent on amp okay? Time to more experiments