Am I the only Maiden fan that can't listen to "The Trooper?"

Oct 5, 2003
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I know it's one of those songs that many non die hard Maiden fans always associate with the band. I literally can't handle listening to the song, it is so over played. And when the Maidens play it live the crowd all of a sudden goes crazy and cheers.... and I head for the bathroom for a break.. Same with Run to the Hills... I just can't sit through it anymore.

I know they will always have to play those songs to make the crowd happy. I am stoked the Maidens have decided to throw in songs like A Different World, Tailgunner, Etc that is awesome and keeps the shows fresh
 
I know it's one of those songs that many non die hard Maiden fans always associate with the band. I literally can't handle listening to the song, it is so over played. And when the Maidens play it live the crowd all of a sudden goes crazy and cheers.... and I head for the bathroom for a break.. Same with Run to the Hills... I just can't sit through it anymore.

I know they will always have to play those songs to make the crowd happy. I am stoked the Maidens have decided to throw in songs like A Different World, Tailgunner, Etc that is awesome and keeps the shows fresh

The Trooper isn't played as much as Run To The Hills. I still love both of them. They are hits that associate with Maiden.
 
It's a great song, but it's definately not something I can listen to and never get tired of probably because I used to listen to it 24/7 and nearly every band I've ever played in has had that moment where you just say "dude, let's just jam The Trooper." (run on sentence :erk:)

I think it's an unwritten law that if you play in a metal band you have to know how the play the The Trooper at some point. I sure it's somewhere in the Bible too, I'm just not motivated enough to look, but I'm sure it's there.

oh, and yay for Helloween sigs! :lol:
 
I hear ya. It's tough. It's more true with RTTH for me. But occasionally, if it's sprung on me by surprise, the song still really moves me. In Denver, RTTH is the only damn Maiden song I ever hear on the radio, so it just kills me. But that's just how the entertainment industry is -- radio and TV included. It's the cross we have to bear. It's the albatross around our necks...
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It's a great song, but it's definately not something I can listen to and never get tired of probably because I used to listen to it 24/7 and nearly every band I've ever played in has had that moment where you just say "dude, let's just jam The Trooper." (run on sentence :erk:)

I think it's an unwritten law that if you play in a metal band you have to know how the play the The Trooper at some point. I sure it's somewhere in the Bible too, I'm just not motivated enough to look, but I'm sure it's there.

oh, and yay for Helloween sigs! :lol:
Thanks for the sig man. Where did you find it? Is there a Maiden one too?
 
I know it's one of those songs that many non die hard Maiden fans always associate with the band. I literally can't handle listening to the song, it is so over played. And when the Maidens play it live the crowd all of a sudden goes crazy and cheers.... and I head for the bathroom for a break.. Same with Run to the Hills... I just can't sit through it anymore.

I know they will always have to play those songs to make the crowd happy. I am stoked the Maidens have decided to throw in songs like A Different World, Tailgunner, Etc that is awesome and keeps the shows fresh

I think no matter how good a song is we can all get sick of it if we hear it to much. The people I really give credit to for endurance are those who belong to culture where is you go to a concert of any band playing that cultural style of music, you will hear certain songs.

While I find The Trooper a good song, I like many other Maiden songs much more. But come Christmas time, The Trooper is great, because the words to "We Three Kings" fit so well to it!!!!:headbang:
 
It's a great song, but it's definately not something I can listen to and never get tired of probably because I used to listen to it 24/7 and nearly every band I've ever played in has had that moment where you just say "dude, let's just jam The Trooper." (run on sentence :erk:)

I think it's an unwritten law that if you play in a metal band you have to know how the play the The Trooper at some point. I sure it's somewhere in the Bible too, I'm just not motivated enough to look, but I'm sure it's there.

Exactly. My former band had it as part of our set list every night. Wasted Years was also on that list. What we used to do, however, is try to make the songs our own in some small way. A little distortion, up the tempo a bit, and whammo we just kicked your arse. I also used to get a gallop going on the kick drum and add some fancy cymbal work.
 
Exactly. My former band had it as part of our set list every night. Wasted Years was also on that list. What we used to do, however, is try to make the songs our own in some small way. A little distortion, up the tempo a bit, and whammo we just kicked your arse. I also used to get a gallop going on the kick drum and add some fancy cymbal work.

Same here, only probably was since everyone knows how to play it they all put their own spin on the song, which makes it difficult to think of something new. :lol: But challenges are good.

My band usually incorporates Transylvannia in our sets somehow.
 
Personally, I can't stand the "holy trinity" of RTTH, NOTB, and HBTN. The Trooper is up there, too. These songs are all way overplayed.

I find it disappointing that the band has no desire to introduce variety in the set list. When the Early Years tour kicked off, they had a chance to reintroduce some more obscure songs from the back catalog, but they did not. They will also have that chance in the upcoming A Matter of the Beast tour when they play five NOTB songs. I'd bet it all that they will play RTTH, NOTB, HBTN, 22AA, and The Prisoner or COTD. If they wanted to be innovative, they'd swap at least two of those tracks out with something else from the album, such as Invaders and Gangland. For a band that has always prided itself in doing things the way they want, they sure seem to be held hostage by the jukebox fans.

Now, when the lady Maidens play any of these overplayed tracks, it's different. I can't explain it, but it actually feels special instead of routine. All their shows add something to the classic tracks that feel to me have long been lost by the original band. As such, I prefer to watch the lady Maidens live over the real band.
 
Personally, I can't stand the "holy trinity" of RTTH, NOTB, and HBTN. The Trooper is up there, too. These songs are all way overplayed.

I find it disappointing that the band has no desire to introduce variety in the set list. When the Early Years tour kicked off, they had a chance to reintroduce some more obscure songs from the back catalog, but they did not. They will also have that chance in the upcoming A Matter of the Beast tour when they play five NOTB songs. I'd bet it all that they will play RTTH, NOTB, HBTN, 22AA, and The Prisoner or COTD. If they wanted to be innovative, they'd swap at least two of those tracks out with something else from the album, such as Invaders and Gangland. For a band that has always prided itself in doing things the way they want, they sure seem to be held hostage by the jukebox fans.

Now, when the lady Maidens play any of these overplayed tracks, it's different. I can't explain it, but it actually feels special instead of routine. All their shows add something to the classic tracks that feel to me have long been lost by the original band. As such, I prefer to watch the lady Maidens live over the real band.

I can't explain it either Rya!! :lol: Maybe it's cuz we've haven't played the songs for 20+ years so they ARE fresh - for us as players, at least!! :p But I noticed that at the show at Irvine. There was a different intensity and focus from the band on the new material as opposed to the older encore songs. I imagine they must be pretty bored of them after a while too. But there are a lot of people who would be heartbroken if they didn't hear the Trooper and RTTH. This we know from personal experience!
 
*gets on knees* please oh please oh please play Alexander when yer here in Utah :)

And yeah I think part of the energy and fun is when the Maidens play them it's with passion, and joy, and fun and it's just part of the excitement and fun of being at a show where my friends are jamin their butts off onstage and the energy of the crowd is over the top.
 
I prefer to watch the lady Maidens live over the real band.

I know what you mean, but still nothing can replace the entire production of a REAL Maiden show. Maiden are very interesting with their setlists.

Ozzfest they chose their early years songs which to me that is a tour that they should be playing all their trendy songs from each album. Ozzfest should have looked like this:

1. Aces High
2. Number of the Beast
3. The Trooper
4. Flight of Icarus
5. 2 Minutes to Midnight
6. Fear of the Dark
7. Phantom of the Opera
9. Hallowed be they Name

Encore

10. Run to the Hils

But they played a lot of songs from the S/T and Killers album (Which I enjoyed) but the majority of the people in the audience didn't know.

Then they come out and play a headlining tour and play their entire new album front to back which put half of the crowd to sleep (Even though I liked it)

None the less no matter what the set list is, they always have a great performance that no other live band on this planet can do
 
I can't explain it either Rya!! :lol: Maybe it's cuz we've haven't played the songs for 20+ years so they ARE fresh - for us as players, at least!! :p But I noticed that at the show at Irvine. There was a different intensity and focus from the band on the new material as opposed to the older encore songs. I imagine they must be pretty bored of them after a while too. But there are a lot of people who would be heartbroken if they didn't hear the Trooper and RTTH. This we know from personal experience!
Yeah, there are a lot of old jukebox fans out there. Maiden needs to keep them happy. I have to keep reminding myself that when I see other bands play, I am more interested in the classic tunes than the new material (such as Metallica, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, etc.). I am happy that Iron Maiden does make sure to play 5 or more tracks off of the new album whenever a new one is released.


I know what you mean, but still nothing can replace the entire production of a REAL Maiden show. Maiden are very interesting with their setlists.
The production is very nice, but I'm much more interested in the songs than the stage setup and Eddie.

Ozzfest they chose their early years songs which to me that is a tour that they should be playing all their trendy songs from each album. Ozzfest should have looked like this:

1. Aces High
2. Number of the Beast
3. The Trooper
4. Flight of Icarus
5. 2 Minutes to Midnight
6. Fear of the Dark
7. Phantom of the Opera
9. Hallowed be they Name

Encore

10. Run to the Hils

But they played a lot of songs from the S/T and Killers album (Which I enjoyed) but the majority of the people in the audience didn't know.
Actually, the early years left out Powerslave. It was just the first four albums. I was very happy to see a lot of old tracks back in the mix, but I'd like to have seen them put out some that haven't gotten played since that song's album tour. Every song they played was one that has been played on multiple tours, with the exception of The Ides of March. I was really upset they cut Drifter from the set. That's the best closer they've ever done! I'm really surprised a lot of the fans where you saw them didn't know the tracks from the first two albums. When I saw them in Auburn, WA, they played Phantom, Murders in the Rue Morgue, Iron Maiden, Running Free, and Sanctuary. Of those, only Murders in the Rue Morgue hasn't been played to death already on other tours.
 
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Personally, I can't stand the "holy trinity" of RTTH, NOTB, and HBTN. The Trooper is up there, too. These songs are all way overplayed.

I find it disappointing that the band has no desire to introduce variety in the set list. When the Early Years tour kicked off, they had a chance to reintroduce some more obscure songs from the back catalog, but they did not. They will also have that chance in the upcoming A Matter of the Beast tour when they play five NOTB songs. I'd bet it all that they will play RTTH, NOTB, HBTN, 22AA, and The Prisoner or COTD. If they wanted to be innovative, they'd swap at least two of those tracks out with something else from the album, such as Invaders and Gangland. For a band that has always prided itself in doing things the way they want, they sure seem to be held hostage by the jukebox fans.

Now, when the lady Maidens play any of these overplayed tracks, it's different. I can't explain it, but it actually feels special instead of routine. All their shows add something to the classic tracks that feel to me have long been lost by the original band. As such, I prefer to watch the lady Maidens live over the real band.

When you are in a band, there are a few factors that unfortunately conflict with each other. I call them elements, and they are the elements of Money, Art, and Fun.

Money has a sub-element of attendance. Because if people aren't attending your shows, then you aren't making money. Most bands do not start out with ambitions of money, but that changes when they A) realize that to make more music it takes a little green, or B) make enough money to change their lifestyle. Once you have people paying and coming to your shows, the show becomes about playing what the crowd (or majority of) wants to hear. This causes some of the band's favorites to get bumped off the setlist for what I call "Anthems."

I can tell you just from my days playing in clubs that this happens. There were a lot of songs that we loved to play, but the crowd response did not echo our love for the song. We would have to adjust the setlist accordingly, or risk losing some fanbase that got venues to look for us and book us. Sure, some people liked the tunes, but it's the majority of the fanbase that gets you booked and makes you money.

Art is the element of wanting to further one technical and creative abilities. Good examples are songs that you guitar players have great talks about, but the general public (non-musicians mostly) did not take to. If you look at popular music as a whole, you'll find that a lot of the hits are simple to play. (My wife calls it the Mony Mony factor, because it was a 3 chord song that was big. A lot of huge hits were.) The songs that inspire the "technicians" of the music industry, are often times not money making tunes. Sad but true. So, Art directly conflicts with Money.

Fun is the element that is essential for keeping bands together an wanting to go out there and beat on their instruments every night. Now, the money songs start out as fun songs. However, as this topic covers, once you play said fun song for the millionth time it begins to suck. You end up wanting to play that song that fits is in the art catagory. But wait! That would get in the way of the money... Oh shit, can't do that. (Some of you at this point are shaking your head, but once you are at that point, your have a business just as much as a band.) So, Fun conflicts with both elements at some point in the band's career.

Kinda seems like going big and getting record deals means giving up the ability to choose your setlists. Sure, you can change the order. Every once in a while, you might be able to sneak in a b-side. But the setlist as a whole is designed for the largest majority of the fanbase to ensure a show that people paid to come see.

This is why when the Maidens play the overplayed Maiden tunes, it's perfectly ok. When one goes to a tribute band show, you EXPECT to hear those tunes. Add the factor that the ladies are so damn good at it, and you have a great time. If the whole crowd went to get another beer every time the ladies played The Trooper, they might think about tossing it. Doesn't happen though.
 
I will quote a little part from an interview to Steve Harris in the Rolling Stone Mexico, "We have never wrote songs thinking in the fans" from this i can think that if they play The trooper or The number of the Breast (very funny on the set list hahahahaha) its because they like to play those songs a lot and maybe they dont think... mm the people is waiting to hear The trooper... or maybe they think those things, i have never saw them live the closest thing to Maiden i have ever saw is The Iron Maidens so i would love to hear the trooper or some of the other songs, as me i know there are tons of fans in this situation. :)