(Apologies for being such a windbag. Feel free to skip this post.)
Going to see a movie? No, unless it was due to technical problems like a dead audio channel, bad picture, etc. (Note: this isn't analogous to the concert scenario below)
If you ate like an elephant, there's no way you didn't like the food enough to complain, not to mention that you basically destroyed the product. It's not like you can return it.
This is arguable. Not because of small mistakes, but suppose there's a 10pm curfew, and the band doesn't come on stage until 9:45pm for some b.s. reason, so the show is shut down after they play for 15 minutes. That'd be grounds for a refund.
Or some member is too drunk to perform and just staggers around fucking up, sometimes not even playing.
Remind me: what exactly am I *paying* these people for? They're definitely not advertising their shows as guys that stagger around drunk and don't play.
Comparing a CD to a banana is ludicrous.
1) Consuming a banana means you destroyed a product. Listening to a CD doesn't really change its physical makeup. At most, the user left fingerprints on the packaging and (hopefully) edges of the disc. Big loss there.
2) If someone has already tried banana, it's pretty much a given that this banana is going to taste somewhat like the rest. There's no surprise to expect. A band's music between albums can change greatly. Sometimes it's great, sometimes ... not so great.
Regarding the refund stuff, see below
I'm not contesting that one bit! You almost make it sound like I'm waving the P2P banner and am against buying music.
http://www.goddamnbastard.org/playlist/showall.php
This is probably quite a small list compared to you label types, but I think it's a good sign that I put a decent amount of cash into the recording industry taking my age into consideration.
All I'm saying is that I'm trying to find some sort of solution to avoid getting burned on a CD purchase because the 1 or 2 sample tracks I heard were extremely misleading. That's all. All I want is some form of consumer protection. I'm tired of giving $10-$16 to some vendor because I liked a band's previous albums, and then I turn around and absolutely hate a new one. Or, more likely, I like the newer stuff and, trying to get their back catalog, can't listen to the older stuff (e.g., Katatonia, Carcass, Massive Attack, etc.) Or I heard a song from a label's sampler, thought "damn, that was cool", and bought it to find that all songs are pretty much the same, or are just poop (subjectively speaking).
Some music stores let customers listen to albums in their entirety to decide on a purchase. If I could just rent music before deciding on an album, that'd be great, too. However, neither of those are options for me. My ordering is done almost exclusively through The End Records and cheap-cds.com. The only things I have to judge by are a band's past works that I'm familiar with and any samplers I can find.
I'm afraid of DRM simply due to the fact that once everyone's comfortable with any sort of benefits it'd provide, "content providers" would become extremely abusive. (No, you may only listen to this albums on Monday nights after 11:17pm because we're the provider and we say so.)
I don't know what THE solution is, because I haven't really sat down to think about what would be practical. But there has to be something better than always gambling on music.
If I was just burned once or twice, I'd let it slide. However the number's much higher (I had a row of about 60 CDs I was trying to GIVE to people), and that just pisses me off to no end.
Emi said:and what about going to see a Movie and then be refounded if you don't like it?
Going to see a movie? No, unless it was due to technical problems like a dead audio channel, bad picture, etc. (Note: this isn't analogous to the concert scenario below)
Emi said:or you can go to the restaurant, eat like an Elephant and then you can be refounded just declaring that you don't like the food that much...
If you ate like an elephant, there's no way you didn't like the food enough to complain, not to mention that you basically destroyed the product. It's not like you can return it.
Emi said:and of course you can be refounded if during a Concert the guitarist misses a solo, or if he has too long hair or you don't like the way he's dressed...
This is arguable. Not because of small mistakes, but suppose there's a 10pm curfew, and the band doesn't come on stage until 9:45pm for some b.s. reason, so the show is shut down after they play for 15 minutes. That'd be grounds for a refund.
Or some member is too drunk to perform and just staggers around fucking up, sometimes not even playing.
Remind me: what exactly am I *paying* these people for? They're definitely not advertising their shows as guys that stagger around drunk and don't play.
Emi said:
Comparing a CD to a banana is ludicrous.
1) Consuming a banana means you destroyed a product. Listening to a CD doesn't really change its physical makeup. At most, the user left fingerprints on the packaging and (hopefully) edges of the disc. Big loss there.
2) If someone has already tried banana, it's pretty much a given that this banana is going to taste somewhat like the rest. There's no surprise to expect. A band's music between albums can change greatly. Sometimes it's great, sometimes ... not so great.
Regarding the refund stuff, see below
Emi said:
I'm not contesting that one bit! You almost make it sound like I'm waving the P2P banner and am against buying music.
http://www.goddamnbastard.org/playlist/showall.php
This is probably quite a small list compared to you label types, but I think it's a good sign that I put a decent amount of cash into the recording industry taking my age into consideration.
All I'm saying is that I'm trying to find some sort of solution to avoid getting burned on a CD purchase because the 1 or 2 sample tracks I heard were extremely misleading. That's all. All I want is some form of consumer protection. I'm tired of giving $10-$16 to some vendor because I liked a band's previous albums, and then I turn around and absolutely hate a new one. Or, more likely, I like the newer stuff and, trying to get their back catalog, can't listen to the older stuff (e.g., Katatonia, Carcass, Massive Attack, etc.) Or I heard a song from a label's sampler, thought "damn, that was cool", and bought it to find that all songs are pretty much the same, or are just poop (subjectively speaking).
Some music stores let customers listen to albums in their entirety to decide on a purchase. If I could just rent music before deciding on an album, that'd be great, too. However, neither of those are options for me. My ordering is done almost exclusively through The End Records and cheap-cds.com. The only things I have to judge by are a band's past works that I'm familiar with and any samplers I can find.
I'm afraid of DRM simply due to the fact that once everyone's comfortable with any sort of benefits it'd provide, "content providers" would become extremely abusive. (No, you may only listen to this albums on Monday nights after 11:17pm because we're the provider and we say so.)
I don't know what THE solution is, because I haven't really sat down to think about what would be practical. But there has to be something better than always gambling on music.
If I was just burned once or twice, I'd let it slide. However the number's much higher (I had a row of about 60 CDs I was trying to GIVE to people), and that just pisses me off to no end.
