Any thoughts on my noise problems?

Hammer Bart

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Hey guys, I hope I'm not stretching the limits (as far as topic goes) of this forum, but I'd really like your input on some noise issues I've been having. I know there are quite a few people here who know a thing or two about electrics, so I figured I might give it a shot.

Here goes: I’m having a noise problem with my Morley Pro series II wah, which I love apart from the problem I'm about to describe. I've sent their custumer support an e-mail, but they haven't replied yet. The specific problem is, that when the wah pedal is in my signal chain, after some time a popping noise followed by a very loud, continuous hiss and large drop in instrument level will occur. This seems to happen at more or less random intervals.

Some things that I imagine are worth mentioning:
- I run my guitar into the pedal input and the pedal output into the amp as is usual.
- It happens with every guitar, every amp, and with battery as well as adaptor powering the pedal.
- The problem is only there when the wah pedal is in my chain and when it it is in bypass mode. The noise never starts when the pedal is in wah mode.
- When the pedal is in bypass and the hiss suddenly starts, putting the pedal in wah mode gives a popping noise but completely removes the hiss. The signal is thus normal again after stepping on the switch once and it remains normal when I put it back bypass mode (until, after some time, the cycle repeats itself).
- The hissing noise can be triggered by turning on other electrical devices such as lights, tv, or pc, even when the pedal is running on battery power.
However, I'm definitely not talking about radiation from for instance a monitor, causing low level noise through my humbuckers. The problem I have is a very sudden pop and instantanious hiss which is so loud it makes any further playing pretty much impossible to hear, until I step on the wah/bypass switch.

A drawing of the pedal's wiring for those that are familiar with schematics:
http://www.morleypedals.com/pwa-iies.pdf

My guess is that I'm having a signal loading problem of some kind, but I'm no expert, so I hope I've been able to give you enough information to help me out. Thanks in advance, your attention and help is greatly appreciated.

Almost forgot, the second thing I wanted to ask: Do you guys think there is any cure other than replacement for noisy guitar tone/volume pots and noisy three way switches? Does cleaning work? What do you use and exactly where do you apply it? Again, your help is very much appreciated.
 
Refer to the schematics, a replacement of the op-amp TL072 and/or the capacitor C3/C7/C25 1µF/50V could solve the probs. Sometimes op-amps become a latch up effect and electrolytic capacitors become current-leaking probs during aging and dry out, and both can lead to noises in audio circuits. But also a so-called 'cold solder connection' on the PCB can lead to these probs. But that's all presumptions. Best way is go to a electronic specialist and let him do the job. Don't make the changes by yourself if you don't have any idea of electronics, it can only end im more damage to your pedal.
 
hey ,
i also had a buzzing problem after disconnecting (and connecting couple of times) my entire chain i noticed
the problems came from using the same power supply for my amps and my wah pedal (tremonti wah)
so i used different ones problems solved

but i think you already tested this right ?
just trying the help :wave:

mark
 
Thanks a lot for the input guys. Unfortunately changing the power source is not the solution, since the noise is also there when I run the pedal on battery power. Also, I don't have noise all the time. The pedal initially works fine, but after some time, say 10 minutes or so in bypass: POP SSSSSHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHSSSSSS.......

Razorjack, did your friend have the exact same problem I have? :cry:

Bill Wenzloff of Morley has e-mailed me and his response was the following:
It simply sounds like there is a problem with the pedal. Of course it is difficult to diagnose electronics via email. The pedal needs to be diagnosed properly to determine the fault it contains. Electronic schematics are posted at

http://www.morleypedals.com/downloads.html

If you are unable to get the pedal electrincally diagnosed, you can start by replacing the footswitch. Provide me with a shipping address and I'll mail you a free spare. If I am to help you diagnose this pedal via email, then I'll need to know the following:

1) When you purchased the pedal
2) The Serial #
3) The year of the CE Mark

Regards,
Bill Wenzloff
Morley


He appears to be willing to help me out. I didn't expect him to suggest changing the footswitch though.

Hopkins, thanks for the pointer on the little hole in the back of potmeters. I had completely missed that when I changed the stock pickups to Duncans a few months ago :Spin:
I think I'll try the same electrical lubing/cleaning stuff on the contact points of the three way switch.