Artists attitudes need to change

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Reverend_Reason

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Well,

Many people feel they have no need to take responsibilities as a writer, and indded feel that someone's death has nothing to do with them because the deceased we're worthless anyway.

I have a different personal view with this sort of situation. I am a guitarist, pianist, song-writer and as for myself I would be devastated if some poor emotionally insecure child/teen exhausted and extinguished their existence over a piece of work I had penned.

My view is that, as the artist I owe to what's left of society an explaination of what I have written. Since I write about many truly controversial aspects and subjects, it is fairly easy to mis-interpret what I am actually trying to point out.

In tracks like "Sycophant Political Suicide" my concept is not of the apparent act of suicide, but following your heart and doing what is morally correct and proper. Meaning, not being a tool of Governmental control.

Starve the youth with nihilistic abortions,
pre-meditated syndrom, brain washed, forcefed,
slit a throat, bleed forth faith,
fill your cup and drink again,
belief in yourselves with paganistic grins,
war of arms with war of hands,
war of hearts in wars of man;

Suicide in the front lines, Suicide in the front lines,
Suicide in the front lines, Suicide in the front lines,
kneel down and die,

Decide what it is we're bred for,
patriot parrot with suits, ties, and cold eyes,
lies of a free new world,
these immoralistic values,
placed on deemed worthless lives,
cure this pain to breathe your last;

Suicide in the front lines, Suicide in the front lines,
Suicide in the front lines, Suicide in the front lines,
kneel down and die,

when will we learn to raise the dead? cradle the youth, bottle fed,
mountains moved to the sea, as we are the children, we are free,

Suicide in the front lines,

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In "Someday I'll be a Saint" I discuss the idea of in my passing, wondering if the deeds I have done will make any impact on individuals I connected with as well as those who heard my words.

Well mother I've been to the dark side,
where no man he runs but everyone hides,
that something inside,
it grows like a dream,
and fades like a storm,
with no one around and nothing to show what you're fighting for,

I know someday I'll be a saint, I know by the color of my grave,
I know someday I'll be a saint, it's clear when she whispers my name,

Sister I've spent many a night,
searching the stars and begging the moon,
for some sign life,
I walked in these clouds, and I've played with the fire,
someday I'll speak in tongues of the dead,
and I'll call them all liars,

I know someday I'll be a saint, I know by the color of my grave,
I know someday I'll be a saint, it's clear when she whispers my name,

I wish you all good luck,
in the end when I'm gone nothing's left,
pretend I was always there,
I never stood away,
drama queens,
back alley dreams now that I'm dead,

I know someday I'll be a saint, I know by the color of my grave,
I know someday I'll be a saint, it's clear when she whispers my name,

Well Father I bled for many,
a wounded night has become day,
have you forgotten my past?
can you remember my name?
this walk is so heavy,
when you carry this shame.

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However, in "Neglected" I scream to myself the truth that what I have learned growing and maturing in our environment that I have time for nothing except myself. Believing that this is wrongly taught I reach to impressionable ears that as youth (even though I am 25) they/we are not alone in the struggle to become ourselves.

I was the hate that you breed, infected with seeds of defeat,
I am the air that you breathe, pollution that proclaims disease,
look in these hollow eyes, just to see what remains,
your lies and false promises, they were my failing dreams;

(bridge)
you can't hold me down,
you can't make me scream,
I could never understand why you gave up on me,
I forced myself to believe I am everything I ever received

I'd scream so loud, (you wouldn't hear a word),
I begged for your love, (this heart you burned),
I'd plead for your trust, (you only sneer),
I scream so loud only deaf ears can hear,

I was the pain that cripples your spine, thought I was twisting tearing divine,
I was the sadness in your eyes, cryptic codes of the unwise,
15 held for a cry of release, 16 said we were all too late,
that hand you lent to help didn't do shit for me;

(bridge)
you can't hold me down,
you can't make me scream,
I could never understand why you gave up on me,
I forced myself to believe I am everything I ever received

I'd scream so loud, (you wouldn't hear a word),
I begged for your love, (this heart you burned),
I'd plead for your trust, (you only sneer),
I scream so loud only deaf ears can hear,

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Finally in "Social Tragedy" I speak about my mouth on the barrel so to speak. Which in the end, becomes a positive experience in hence I realized my true worth.

They switched it on you again,
did you ever think about what you brought into this world?
you said hate is kinda like a house pet,
you're all number one on my list,
this moment of my last breath,
I see the truth;

let me do this,

I feel so empty inside, was I ever really alive?
at least I tried, I did this to myself,
feed the clip/pull the trigger, only do it once,
but it makes such a mess;

they never asked if it was healthy,
they said they saw the stars,
they said they saw what life really was,
when we were high they called it abuse,
I begged my soul for silence,
for once I never gave in,
they say we lived a tragic death;

let me do this,

I feel so empty inside, was I ever really alive?
at least I tried, I did this to myself,
feed the clip/pull the trigger, only do it once,
but it makes such a mess;

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Then songs like "Typical Sin" is about facing everything that I am/have become and understanding that even though there are those around me that I can lead to for support, the ultimate decisions are indeed mine.

Another room grows dim, yesterday seems so far away,
today I see what I've become, as I pray tomorrow fades away,
I live a suicidal stairway to nowhere, here there are no helping hands,
where the only hope is to not wake up, wishing for the breathing to end.

I'm slipping farther away, I can't help it.
My typical sin was born too late.

This screamin headache makes me hate myself,
lost, loved, looked back, for something,
anything that could make me hold on,
tied hands, dead lands, fallen sands,
there is no hope in laying down.

How cold is love, it strips the flesh away,
like a folded promise fuck-you, just being dead another day,
when your core becomes so empty, there's nothing left to bleed away,
when you become so fucking typical it's time to waste away.

- one look in the mirror - this mask begins to decay
- my ashes blow away - so this story remains untold.

I'm slipping farther away, I can't help it.
My typical sin was born too late.

This screamin headache makes me hate myself,
lost, loved, looked back, for something,
anything that could make me hold on,
tied hands, dead lands, fallen sands,
there is no hope in laying down.

When the sun rises darkness settles on my soul,
salvation is at the end of a road full of holes,
clenched fist is just a reason for you to carve out my throat,
my edges are now frayed and I can't force these words out.

This is my typical sin.. that was born too late.
when you become so fucking typical it's time to waste away.

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"(ST)ripped Beyond" is the classic break up still In Love song. What I have done is paint myself a picture of forcing the ex to sit, and watch me extract the mental and emotional pain that was caused by her words and actions in physical force on myself to try and vocalize the hurt and trauma.


I've been stripped beyond my nerves, I'm nothing left to love.
watch me feed on the pain that you made me cause.. see it in my eyes,
the expression on my face, brought to surface, erase.

Sit, relax, (shhh), quiet now, it's ok, this is for you,
didn't you ask for this? isn't this what gets you off?
a tunnel vision fixation bore more holes in my chest,
am I really the cold hearted bastard, cry me to sleep,
you lied for this, cried for this, hide from this, die with this,
should I fist myself, tear myself, bleed myself? Lost,
this time.. no one to blame.. you, myself, this hell, fuck,
this is my gift to you, does it eat out your desire?

I've been stripped beyond my nerves, I'm nothing left to love.
watch me feed on the pain that you made me cause.. see it in my eyes,
the expression on my face, brought to surface, erase.

please play, blades dirty, sharp wrist, quick twist,
clenched teeth, dry roots, how deep is your pleasure?
taste me paradise coagulate, drink my life, I'd love to be cold,
my needs to share a bed we've made, hands around my throat,
toungue lashings, poison words, in this fold I get fucked,
words were a warning, promise's that were to come,
ignorance such a peaceful vixon, what she left behind,
a psychological suffering, this is my 5 minutes of fucking fame,

I've been stripped beyond my nerves, I'm nothing left to love.
watch me feed on the pain that you made me cause.. see it in my eyes,
the expression on my face, brought to surface, erase.

See me, sacrifice, myself, my Love, my fault, my failure,
not good enough, never good enough, never had enough.

I've been stripped beyond my nerves, I'm nothing left to love.
watch me feed on the pain that you made me cause.. see it in my eyes,
the expression on my face, brought to surface, erase.

Sit, relax, (shhh), quiet now, it's ok, this is for you,
didn't you ask for this? isn't this what gets you off?
a tunnel vision fixation bore more holes in my chest,
am I really the cold hearted bastard, cry me to sleep,
you lied for this, cried for this, hide from this, die with this,
should I fist myself, tear myself, bleed myself? Lost,
this time.. no one to blame.. you, myself, this hell, fuck,
this is my gift to you, does it eat out your desire?

I've been stripped beyond my nerves, I'm nothing left to love.
watch me feed on the pain that you made me cause.. see it in my eyes,
the expression on my face, brought to surface, erase. (X2)

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I guess that about sums it up for me.... for now. Once again, as an artist to artists... you should feel that you are responsible for that which you create. and it is very important to remember that all music has no basis, no foundation, and no message of fair or foul until "We" give it that being.

Always.
Rev
 
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my list.
This is in no apparent order. That would cause too much conflict of intrest.

Killswitch Engage
Spineshank
Seven Dust
Dream Theater
Mudvayne
12 Stones
SoilWork
Slipknot
Vaakevandring
Sarah Brightman (gorgeous and talented)
Lamb of God
Justified
In Flames
Stone Sour
Joe Satriani <--- toss up between him and Mr.John Petrucci for a fav.
Children of Bodom
Cradle of Filth <--- oddly enough.. I kinda enjoyed their show in Edmonton.
Old Mans Child

meh.. good enough for me.

Rev.
 
Rev, that was the biggest "i'll throw my material out there subtley on the boards to see what they say"

Fuck you. Talk yourself up a bit more why don't you

In relation to your comments on artists taking responsibility for their music: they can take responsibilty for THEIR MUSIC and not for the actions of their audience. It's not the music that commits suicide, it's the people who do.
 
Demiurge said:
Your lyrics belong on some sing-along emo or mallcore album, which is the style your band plays, I'm sure.


Of course.. silly me. When you're done with the Sears Juvinile Section, put it away this time.
 
Mercy/Severity said:
Rev, that was the biggest "i'll throw my material out there subtley on the boards to see what they say"

Fuck you. Talk yourself up a bit more why don't you

In relation to your comments on artists taking responsibility for their music: they can take responsibilty for THEIR MUSIC and not for the actions of their audience. It's not the music that commits suicide, it's the people who do.


Um.. no. If I wanted to focus on my writing. I would have made a post saying "Input on writing". I was using it to prove a concept ass-master. And yes, I was in fact speaking about artists taking responsibilities for THEIR MUSIC, not the audience. Do you some of the people here read and not format??

Reason
 
You're still an asshole!
You're still an asshole!

What band does that song in the clip where danzip gets his sorry ass kicked?
 
I'm sorry, "on at" does not parse, I must be too stupid to understand your enlightened words!

North Side Kings is apparently the name. I hope they get bludgeoned by south side, in a friendly caring sort of manner.
 
Protocol said:
I'm sorry, "on at" does not parse, I must be too stupid to understand your enlightened words!

North Side Kings is apparently the name. I hope they get bludgeoned by south side, in a friendly caring sort of manner.


It's from a Canadian show.. I didn't expect you to understand. And no.. you're not stupid, just ignorant.
 
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Thanks for boring us with a preachy post.

First, the artists are not responsible for the actions of their fanbase. Charles Manson stated that the idea of starting a race war and the impetus for the Tate-LaBianca Murders came from The Beatles tune, Helter Skelter. According to Paul McCartney, the song was written about a slide at a carnival that bore that name, Helter Skelter. Does this mean that Sir Paul McCartney is responsible for the deaths caused by the Manson Family? Afraid not. As the late, great Sam Kinison once pointed out, Charlie probably could have gotten the same message from Last Train To Clarksville by the Monkees.

Ozzy Osbourne wrote Suicide Solution about the dangers of alcohol after Bon Scott had passed away from alcohol poisoning which brought about vomiting. A few years later, some kid killed himself while Blizzard of Ozz repeated itself on the turntable. Is Ozzy responsible? Probably, because if I had to listen to Blizzard of Ozz repeatedly without a break, I'd want to kill myself, too! ;)

Two Nevada youths attempted suicide and one succeeded. The survivor claims that Judas Priest's music brought about this action - not the alcohol or drugs they had been using or the fact that this was a wildly disturbed young man known for attacking his own mother.

Two Colorado youths opened fire on the students of a Columbine high school, killing and wounding several and Marilyn Manson gets the lionshare of the blame, even though both young men are known to hate Marilyn Manson and were reported to be blasting Rammstein in their garage the night before their deadly rampage.

I told the singer for my band to write lyrics about unreasonable greed for a piece of music I wrote called "Greedy." Are either one of us to blame if some dumbfuck starts robbing banks because they claims that our tune drove them to it? Don't think so, because neither of us is telling them to do so.

What does all this prove? You're full of crap.

Finally, let me just say that your apparent preachiness can only be seen as one thing...a lame attempt at gaining attention to lame lyrics. There are other places on this forum to promote your band, dummy.
 
sumairetsu said:
Are either one of us to blame if some dumbfuck starts robbing banks because they claims that our tune drove them to it? Don't think so, because neither of us is telling them to do so.

What does all this prove? You're full of crap.
I said this last thread, in so many words.
 
Reverend_Reason said:
I trust you did sign up for some english grammer courses .....didn't you?

I trust you'll be joining him in remedial english class to learn how to spell "grammar." By the way, that user's hideous diction flew right over your head. You see, his garbled post was intended to be dismissive and is not indicative of the poster's linguistic ability.

Of course.. silly me. When you're done with the Sears Juvinile Section, put it away this time.

The word is "juvenile." What are you asking me to put away this time? I haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to tell me.
 
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