Ashes Against The Grain

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Interests:
passing certain heavenly places, crying out at the gates of light, etc

I don't see that in there.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

because i have a huge interest in "contesting" you or proving myself right

all i have an interest in is telling you you're an idiot for being wrong

I don't mean to be rude, but who gives a shit what type of metal of Agalloch is, I consider them to be kickass and that's it. Sure I love how metal is split up into sub-genres, but some bands break the chains of being called one specific type of music. I mean some bands are quite evident of what they are, like Dream Theater is clearly prog or Deicide is cleary death. Nobody should be called stupid becuase it's clearly in arguement of opinion. I would call Agalloch avant garde.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I wouldn't because avant-garde isn't a genre, rather a description. The point of genres is to simplify listening to music by putting similar bands into different categories based on musical techniques/what-have-you that they exhibit. Since avant-garde bands can logically never be similar sounds, as the term avant-garde refers to something virtually never heard before, it makes no sense to utilize the genre "avant-garde metal" to lodge bands in, as none of them will sound similar at all by common definition.

That being said even the members of Agalloch think they are neo-folk/post-rock/rock with some doom, and they seem pretty knowledgeable about marketing music to people, so I agree.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

I wouldn't because avant-garde isn't a genre, rather a description. The point of genres is to simplify listening to music by putting similar bands into different categories based on musical techniques/what-have-you that they exhibit. Since avant-garde bands can logically never be similar sounds, as the term avant-garde refers to something virtually never heard before, it makes no sense to utilize the genre "avant-garde metal" to lodge bands in, as none of them will sound similar at all by common definition.

That being said even the members of Agalloch think they are neo-folk/post-rock/rock with some doom, and they seem pretty knowledgeable about marketing music to people, so I agree.

Yea, I got you. Whatever Agalloch defines themselves we should consider them it.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I don't think that about any other bands, but Agalloch seem very in tune with what they play, which is why I trust them on it.

 

[Scourge of Malice]

Better than PF or The Mantle?

I'm gonna say AT LEAST just as good.They got some sounds on here that really appeal to me and I find the mix of styles on here pretty unique. Maybe its naive to say this so early on but I think they've made another masterpiece.

 

[Blinded By Blood]

I don't give a shit what genre(s) they fall under, they're good

 

[Mort Divine]

the point is that they WERE metal

 

[Scourge of Malice]

This album is heavier than the last two. Sure, theres more non-metal influence, but to deny the metal that is in their music is rediculous.

 

[Mort Divine]

I'm not denying the metal in there, rather denying that it is to be called a metal album. Metal surely is there, but the release itself is surely not metal in and of itself.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I think it kinda straddles the line. There's been plenty of stuff considered metal that is less metal than AATG.

 

[Scourge of Malice]

If someone said AATG was just a straigh up "Metal" album, I guess I might not agree, but I'd definitely include metal in the description.

 

[skeptik]

Woah, what the fuck, Agalloch isn't Metal anymore? Yeah, okay. Add outside influences and your obvious core shifts. That makes sense.

 

[Blinded By Blood]

Fuck, this album fucking owns :Smokin: :Smokin: :Smokin: :Smokin: :Smokin: :danceboy: :danceboy: :danceboy: :danceboy: :danceboy:

 

[Scourge of Malice]

Fuck, this album fucking owns

Agreed!

 

[Erik]

Woah, what the fuck, Agalloch isn't Metal anymore? Yeah, okay. Add outside influences and your obvious core shifts. That makes sense.

to pretentious 16 year old twats who think pain of salvation is quality music it does

 

[Susperia]

Stop stroking your cock.

 

[Mort Divine]

Woah, what the fuck, Agalloch isn't Metal anymore? Yeah, okay. Add outside influences and your obvious core shifts. That makes sense.

Of course adding outside influences does not shift your core. That is why The Mantle and Ashes Against The Grain are not metal. They have influence from metal, but are not.

 

[skeptik]

I strongly disagree with you but okay.

 

[Erik]

Of course adding outside influences does not shift your core.

Hmmm....well I guess we are currently a part of the metal scene whether we like it or not. We are, afterall, a metal band even though we explore many different styles under the dark curtain.

did you have anything else to say