Black Metal and Hipsters
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omghaxlol!1
Exactly. A sound and nothing more.
Why play black Metal if this is your message? Fuck off.
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I'm pretty sure your country has been a capital CHRIST Christian nation
since YOUR conception bud. So what more could you know that someone else
couldn't research on Wiki?
look at Gaahl ... first came that cool creepy interview with Peter Beste where he is walking in the forest and looking all threatening and sounding intellectual then we find out he he really is into hanging out at fashion shows with his boyfriend in gay Paris
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hmm
sweden in 1985 was already a more secular society than the usa will be in 2085, but whatever you say bub
it's hard to say why exactly sometimes but by observing general tendencies in how people of different nationalities write and act you can tell that some nations are founded on religious principles, that religious dogma is vividly alive in the minds of nearly everyone whether they're actively practicing or not, where others are essentially secular societies that had religion bolted on haphazardly at some point in the past, now kind of barely clinging on as a sort of rotting, diseased appendix we just haven't gotten around to disposing of yet
anyway i was mainly just trolling as usual but a more apt observation would be that it requires not only a stupefying amount of ignorance and misunderstanding of the subject but also a very narrow, very christian viewpoint to 1) claim that "hysterical loss and sadness" necessarily comes from "loss of faith" (i'll have to assume from context he means the christian faith here), and 2) that black metal, which rather rejoices in either the freedom resulting from lack of "faith" or in a "faith" altogether different from the christian one, generally deals with that AT ALL, EVER
sure "loss of faith" is actually a very old problem (for those of a mind such that it appears a problem at all,) predating judeo-christianity, but really it is beyond me how you could ever interpret black metal to run on that "cultural motor" (uuuugh)
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really i think it would amaze some of you ameriguys how not-christian sweden is nowadays. christians aren't taken seriously by anyone and are complete outsiders, which of course suits their whole schtick what with the bible prophecies about the endtime and all that jazz. but no matter. christianity has turned from state religion to subculture here in a timeframe of about 50 years, it's really amazing
at this speed we'll be, for all intents and purpsoes, rid of this plague in my lifetime
they're closing rural churches left and right because no one comes to services any more. good thing, too. i say convert them all to whorehouses and pubs or tear them down and use the material to make huge fucking runestones
at this speed we'll be, for all intents and purpsoes, rid of this plague in my lifetime
they're closing rural churches left and right because no one comes to services any more. good thing, too. i say convert them all to whorehouses and pubs or tear them down and use the material to make huge fucking runestones
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this happens here too and not only in the country, learned about it back in some urban studies class. out of 90-100 old churches in Toronto, I believe about 30 are still used as churches while many burned down, some are abandoned, and others have been re-tasked as academic buildings, residential lofts, etc etc. i'm not exactly certain what this means... dwindling attendance doesn't seem to be reflected by moral dogmatism loosening its grip on those who make the decisions.
i'm not really trying to say much here, except cities and religion can go to hell
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swizzlenuts
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I'm surprised you guys don't have much homeopathy. The rest of Europe is filled with it.
On the topic of black metal. I don't even think I know exactly what black metal is. Bands like Masters Hammer, Emperor, Branikald, Varathron, and Deathspell Omega are all completely different their approach and sound that it makes me think is too diverse to properly catalog. Liturgy's black metal is their take on black metal, and I don't see why that's a bad thing. I don't think they do a good job, but why does black metal have to be stagnant?
On the topic of black metal. I don't even think I know exactly what black metal is. Bands like Masters Hammer, Emperor, Branikald, Varathron, and Deathspell Omega are all completely different their approach and sound that it makes me think is too diverse to properly catalog. Liturgy's black metal is their take on black metal, and I don't see why that's a bad thing. I don't think they do a good job, but why does black metal have to be stagnant?
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It doesn't, but if I think a band sounds like shit I'm not likely to consider them an important figure in the evolution of the genre. If other people think they're the next big thing, good for them, they can fuck off with their hipster black metal and ironic haircuts and big glasses
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it's very hard to tell you what black metal is, however it is easier to tell you what black metal is not:
1) life and hypertrophy
2) loss of faith, and the hysterical fear and sadness that come with it
3) a minimalist downtown art/life/religion project in the tradition of dronemasters Glenn Branca, Rhys Chatham and La Monte Young's Dream Syndicate
4) "all you need is love"
HOWEVER -- the problem isn't even that the ideology is unorthodox for a band that calls itself black metal, the problem is that the ideology is prententious shit they dreamed up after reading walt whitman in college and listening to burzum on itunes for a few hours, and that what they're doing is not even real and that they will undoubtedly jump on another trendwagon in 3 years when shit mags have stopped covering their bullshit calls for attention, when southern lord has stopped caring, and when the other trendwhores have stopped coming to the gigs. or to put it in a rather more 1987 way: POSER ALERT!!!
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That's probably true. However, unless you're living in a country, or lived there for an extended period of time, it's hard to truly appreciate what makes a nation tick. For example, in this thread, as well as others, you've talked about how Christian America is. In reality, religiosity is very much regional. The coasts are very secular, the fly-over states are religious.
Any belief that America was founded by religious people or on religious principles is false. The first colonies were established for trade. The only mention of god or religion in our constitution is there to separate our government from religion. Our forefathers were mostly deists, who openly ridiculed Christianity and those who believed in the bible. And our forefahers (in one of the few unanimous Congressional votes) actually proclaimed, in writing, that American was not a Christan nation.
Treaty of Tripoli...
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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