C4 and Panning?

[JeffTD]

Could be potentially n00bish, but I've always wondered...

When you guys set the C4 up, I assume you have it in a stereo bus and have your guitar tracks run to it - when I do this, the more the C4 is mixed in, the more blended, on a stereo field, the guitars sound, which doesn't sound very good.

How do you guys take care of this problem? Should I just insert the C4 on all my gat tracks?

 

[Carrier Flux]

Could be potentially n00bish, but I've always wondered...

When you guys set the C4 up, I assume you have it in a stereo bus and have your guitar tracks run to it - when I do this, the more the C4 is mixed in, the more blended, on a stereo field, the guitars sound, which doesn't sound very good.

How do you guys take care of this problem? Should I just insert the C4 on all my gat tracks?

I've had phasing issues using C4 if I'm mixing wet and dry tracks on top of each other. so instead I run all my guitars down to one master guitar bus after the individual channels have been processed by other things, then put one stereo C4 on all the guitars, 100% wet. this works well.

 

[Andy Sneap]

look, everyone seems to think my c4 setting is going to make the tone. It's not, you have to have the tone dialed in already. Are you actually listening, thinking does this need the lower mid's pinning down?
I don't use it all the time, only if something is being awkward and the mix needs cleaning up.

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

You mean... it's not magic?

I have tons of issues with busing guitars to C4/EQ whatever, and volume and panning issues. I need to work it out, but I've never had a panning issue. What exactly is blending the tracks? because they're all running through the same compresser?

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

If you're playing tight and all the riffs are the same I don't see how it's going to make a huge difference, but if you say so...

 

[Black neon bob]

You mean... it's not magic?

Yeah what's going on here??

I was promised eternal magical guitar tone just as long as i used the famous Sneap C4 settings!

 

[SPLASTiK]

I've always inserted it when needed...

You're going to need a different amount of compression unless you're using the same settings for every guitar anyways.

 

[DNW]

look, everyone seems to think my c4 setting is going to make the tone. It's not, you have to have the tone dialed in already. Are you actually listening, thinking does this need the lower mid's pinning down?
I don't use it all the time, only if something is being awkward and the mix needs cleaning up.

+1


So many people (not necessarily only here) seem to talk as if it's a necessary part of their sound or something. If you're dialing in your tones to fit in with the fact that you will be using that C4 on there, then you've got the wrong idea.

If all your guitar recordings are needing the C4 to tame the lows and low mids... maybe you need to look at making that change to your sound before it hits the mic in the first place ?

 

[JeffTD]

In response to Andy, I only apply it when my low mids are getting a bit out of hand and need taming down, and that's when I throw it on.

I'll try using it on a master guitar bus, though - that sounds like it'll work perfectly.

 

[Lopes]

I throw it on everything not once, but TWICE to give it more of that Sneap vibe.

 

[iekobrid]

The only C4 that ever improved my mixes was of the IED variety.

 

[kev]

Yeah what's going on here??

I was promised eternal magical guitar tone just as long as i used the famous Sneap C4 settings!

We've been lied to Bob! :hotjump:

 

[Ermz]

The C4 is a dynamics processing tool. You don't generally 'blend' it. You process 100%, no auxillaries etc.

I always run my rhythm tracks through a stereo bus. It allows me to process them all uniformly and leave me with more CPU power down the track. Putting a stereo iteration of the C4 on them has always had the intended effect.

 

[carl@laruso.com]

think of it as a way of taming those woolly low mids that destroy clarity.... sometimes i automate it to come on in chuggy sections and come offin chordal sections....

dunno if this is what it was for but i find it sorts out palm muting..... the "aftershock" of wich is the bassyest & loudest signal a dist guitar makes!

 

[Alex the Kid]

hi there,


my first post on this forum, so first of all i'd like to say hi to everyone.....................


are you guys talking about the waves c4?

 

[kev]

hi there,


my first post on this forum, so first of all i'd like to say hi to everyone.....................


are you guys talking about the waves c4?

Welcome dude! Waves c4 ? I think you've arrived at the wrong forum mate... We're trying to work out the best way to plant a bomb on the back of george bushes head without him noticing. We figure the more we compress the contents into the two sides of the bomb, the eaiser it will make it to plant it on his head!

 

[~BURNY~]

With the two B words in your post, be sure Big Brother is watching you now kev!

 

[carl@laruso.com]

With the two B words in your post, be sure Big Brother is watching you now kev!

now that is scary shit.... yeah dude... you'lll probably have your own satalite by now.....

C

 

[kev]

yeh, doomed now- YIKES!!

 

[Matt Smith]

I always just put the C4 on every single track, with that preset, and pull up the faders. Bam, instant Sneap sound. It especially helps tighten the low mids on cymbals. Also, be sure to replace all reverbs and delays on aux tracks with the C4 (on that preset).