Can this sound wider? Help

[shredder10]

I'm about to lay the vocals down on this track next week.
And the band is asking me for a "wider" sound.

I wonder how to get 'there' o_o

Any suggestions would be apreciated!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7261693/Cierra%20tus%20ojos%20pre.mp3

 

[leaky24]

Don't listen to the band

Sounds wide enough to me.

 

[shredder10]

A couple of good friends also told me the same.
I hope they don't get mad @ me hahaha

 

[leaky24]

Hopefully they wont.

But if you start using stereo wideners you can easily lose the bottom end of a mix.

So it depends what they're after.

 

[AerialThesis]

The drums are incredibly well compressed. You won't be able to make it sound wider at this level of compression so don't bother. Good job!

 

[ApeScaleConflict]

It's wide enough allright. I'd like to hear you kill me with the overheads and symbals. It's barely hearable and that's a shame imo. I like the overhead and room ambience.

EDIT: I'd just drop the OH HIpass a bit and if it bleeds all over just C4 the 2000hz down to the point that you cut. But just speculating.

 

[Seth Munson]

yea, where are the cymbals? did they fly south for the winter or something?

 

[shredder10]

Damn there's great ears here!!
Yeah! i actually staged compressed the drums in buses, and HAHAHA you guys noticed it alright!!
OHs have a generous amount of compression! it's weird i wanted to reach for a "for today" kind of spacey drum. But didn't get there.

Here's my drum stem!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7261693/Drum%20Stem.mp3

 

[JonWormwood]

These drums sound great actually.

 

[pipaguapique]

no panees los overs al 100. dejalos a lo maximo 70L y 70R y tus guitarras al estar al 100L y 100r se escucharan mas abiertas.

las guitarras pueden recibir mas trabajo para que no suenen tan "harsh". checa mi thread en esta seccion para que veas como se escucha abierto el sonido.

ta muy chida la rola por cierto.

 

[shredder10]

Panning the OHs 70/70? i'll try it! but i really love how the toms go from side to side,
doesn't that create phase problems?

 

[pipaguapique]

you'll be fine if you go from 45 to 60. really

 

[NSGUITAR]

I don't think it needs to be wider, but FULLER, in some spots. I think fixing up the guitar tone could help, right now it sounds a TINY bit weak, but other than that you've got yourself a killer mix!

Drums sound very good.

 

[shredder10]

It's wide enough allright. I'd like to hear you kill me with the overheads and symbals. It's barely hearable and that's a shame imo. I like the overhead and room ambience.

EDIT: I'd just drop the OH HIpass a bit and if it bleeds all over just C4 the 2000hz down to the point that you cut. But just speculating.

I'll try this also!! thanks a lot for your feedback!

 

[shredder10]

I don't think it needs to be wider, but FULLER, in some spots. I think fixing up the guitar tone could help, right now it sounds a TINY bit weak, but other than that you've got yourself a killer mix!

Drums sound very good.

I think i compressed them a bit too much, i'll let their beefyness breathe a lite more! ! <3

 

[P-E]

I'd dig OH's only a little bit louder, and some kind of stereo chorus on the synth which would really widen it up (but all of this depends of the rest of the mix). Maybe it'd sound better a bit quieter, I don't know, synths are cool to experiment on anyway.

Also automating the snare reverb so it's a bit louder during the slower part could help too.

Overall this mix is really, really good, great job.

 

[shredder10]

I'd dig OH's only a little bit louder, and some kind of stereo chorus on the synth which would really widen it up (but all of this depends of the rest of the mix). Maybe it'd sound better a bit quieter, I don't know, synths are cool to experiment on anyway.

Also automating the snare reverb so it's a bit louder during the slower part could help too.

Overall this mix is really, really good, great job.

Yeah, i've listening the song some minutes again [listened to it for like 2 weeks in all, i was sick of it hehe] and yeah, i let those OHs way too far.

And hey, i'll totally try this Stereo Chorus tip, and i'll post again!

Edit: Will also auto that verb send! i hope it doesn't get muddy :3

 

[P-E]

If it gets muddy (which I doubt, as long as you don't overdo it) you can also automate a slight band EQ, that's where mixing gets fun and creative (IMO).

You could also just change the verb for a bigger one during that time, etc. Whatever sounds best.

 

[zackpennington]

This shit sounds awesome. +1 to the OH comment.

It doesn't need to be wider. In fact, I agree with bringing the overheads in the middle more and let the guitars dominate the sides.

Are you using the same tones for both sides of the guitar? That could also contribute to a lack of "beef." I had this problem with a metal album I did because I used the same amp on both sides.