Censorship in muisc

[dimensionidol]

Originally posted by Board
Whenever I see an interview with her or on some pictures she looks to much like a little girl and nerdish (pony rider),

i already have an hard on!

 

[Board]

Originally posted by Vienyard
Fuck!! This happens to me all the time here at UM. I have a point to make and someone beat me to the punch!! Heheh, oh well.

I totally agree-if it's a private business, with freedom, they have the right to choose what they find objectionable and what they dont. I may not agree with it, but hey, it's their call.

It's almost similar to a controversy we got here in the states where Augusta National, a prestigious golf club, is being pressured to let in female members. Everyone here is crying foul that it's predjudice and what not, but what they neglect to see is that its a private club and theyre allowed to do what they want-they can make their own rules. It's their business, so they can run it how they see fit, as long as it's within the law.

Yeah, I'm getting a little off the topic again...sorry. But the point kinda relates to it....I think!

It's the same when I go to a disco (there's a street with only discoes & resturants nearby) and they say "You can't get in with those clothes" 'cause I got baggy pants and shit! There's not really much I can do about it, so...

 

[Board]

Originally posted by dimensionidol
i already have an hard on!

Horse chicks don't really turn me on.
I prefer this:

 

[dimensionidol]

Originally posted by Board
Horse chicks don't really turn me on.
I prefer this:

i see nothing!?

anyway i read the name of the file so i answer with this:

FBB AMAZONS RULES!!!!!!

 

[Nick Inch Nails]

I think you should run any buissness the way you see fit if its in the law and the same for pressing plants If it wasnt like that people wud watned to shut down metal labels cos theyn will noty agree with the imagery/lyrics whatever.

But then again UIm stoned so what do I know?

 

[Board]

Goddamn Dimensionidol, that pic you posted is :zombie: uke:
Anyway, when I posted that pic I tried several different sites where a pic wouldn't show up, but this would and I also see it in your reply. It's probably the same as with avatars. Some can see it and some can't. I actually linked to the same site (but another pic) at some babevote or baberating or some shit and I could see the pic at another computer.
But anyway, what about this pic then:

Should we turn this thread into a "Hot chicks" thread?

 

[dimensionidol]

Originally posted by Board
Goddamn Dimensionidol, that pic you posted is :zombie: uke:

But anyway, what about this pic then:

Should we turn this thread into a "Hot chicks" thread?

nothing again!

anyway i really like female bodybuilders!

obviously the more feminine ones:

 

[Board]

I don't know why it doesn't show up. I can see it. I don't like female bodybuilders at all. They seem gross. I prefer Tyra as you can('t) see by the pics I've posted!

 

[dimensionidol]

Originally posted by Board
I don't know why it doesn't show up. I can see it. I don't like female bodybuilders at all. They seem gross. I prefer Tyra as you can('t) see by the pics I've posted!

maybe it is a server problem!?

 

[Wyvern]

I don't believe in censorship for adults, just for kids. I believe anyone over 18 is responsible for its ideas, acts, etc.

But I do have a problem with racism, nazism, and other extreme ideologies, why should let them speak in a free democracy? If they would be in control they wouldn't let anyone else speak!

I love freedom and democracy but also security and good sense.

 

[Cold Gin]

Originally posted by Sonnenritter
Wow. We're not hypocrites here are we? "Let's censor this, but not this". How is that different from Christians trying to censor bands with a satanic image? Freedom of speech with limitations isn't really freedom, now is it. If a band wants to use lyrics/artwork of sex, excessive violence, or swastikas then let them have at it.

Yes, I do believe in order to achieve freedom for everybody, especially for all kind of minority groups, intelligent limitations are good and necessary. Agreed, the question is: who decides what is necessary and what not. The only chance to infuence that yourself is to be active yourself or vote whenever you can. I believe the present censorship laws are ok, at least in Germany.

Unfortunately people are not suddenly intelligent or live with a certain level of respect to others as soon as they turn 18, like somebody assumed. I believe very much in freedom of speech in a political, religious or whatever sense. But this must be with sense of responsibility. I mean, what is the sense of lyrics with e.g. excessive violence ? Bands with no talent want to sell records to the dumb, because dumb people say "wow that is bloody cool, the music is crap but my teachers, my parents, my neighbors etc. will be shocked, let´s buy it and play it loud..." Good bands don´t need this kind of promotion. They impress with, hard riffs, fast drums, good heavy vocals and lyrics to think about, even if they are critical to the society. That great

Interesting thread actually.

Cheerz

 

[Cold Gin]

ups, I deleted too much from Sonnenritter´s quote. It actually ends with "... let them have it."

Cheerz

 

[DanW]

Originally posted by iamunicron
fuck it, let all have there say but if some pressing places dont want to work with such stuff then so be it, there life there choise, so what. if bands do come across this i dont think releasing a censored version of the record is right because its just not what it;s supposed to be, and nazi's should have there say, they make me laugh

There are some good points coming out about this and it's interesting that soem of you think that it is censorship and bad and some of you don't even feel it is censorship. I thought I'd throw a few more things in.

Firstly in response to the above. Wehave been refused by four pressing plants who have just flatly refused to press the album. What I want to know is do you think that a manufacturer ( and let's not forget that all the pressing plant has to do is press and print the thing) should be able to stop the production of an album? Surely that decision lies with the label? We don't necessarily share the opinions of the band but respect their integrity as artists. It is our decision whether we think it is offensive or not really.

Secodnly, one of the pressing plants in question has pressed all of our stuff since the early days of Cacophonous. They pressed all of the Cradle of Filth stuff which is highly blasphempus and highly offensive without any problems. What I'm getting at is it seems the music industry has done a complete u-turn since all the terrorist activity of the last 2 years or so. Musicians worked hard to get freedom of speech across music so what has happened? Although the events of 9/11 were tragic surely total censorship of anythign that tries to tackle these issues is not the way forward??

 

[DanW]

Originally posted by Cold Gin
Unfortunately people are not suddenly intelligent or live with a certain level of respect to others as soon as they turn 18, like somebody assumed. I believe very much in freedom of speech in a political, religious or whatever sense. But this must be with sense of responsibility. I mean, what is the sense of lyrics with e.g. excessive violence ? Bands with no talent want to sell records to the dumb, because dumb people say "wow that is bloody cool, the music is crap but my teachers, my parents, my neighbors etc. will be shocked, let´s buy it and play it loud..." Good bands don´t need this kind of promotion. They impress with, hard riffs, fast drums, good heavy vocals and lyrics to think about, even if they are critical to the society. That great

This is an excellent point. With a sense of repsonsibility is absolutely key. My feelings are that there should be complete freedom for people to release what they like. If a band wants to release an album called 'Rape Children' then fine, that is their prerogative. However, they must then accept repsonsibility for the reaction this is bound to provoke. If they want to live the rest of their life in fear of being lynched or whatever then that again is down to them.

In the case of Scalplock, they are a band with a long history of political opinion in their music. They are effectively the next generation punks who are part of the few remaining who do still have a political opinion. However, the band are not teens with no idea what they are saying who are releasing their first album with controversial lyrics and artwork to sell loads of copies. This is a band that has been around for 10 years and have always based their music on political opinion. Initially the band wrote about indigenous tribal rights and have naturally progressed to where we are now. Their views are intelligent, informed decisions that are by no means exclusive to the band. I have spoken to may people about this and thus far no-one has been able to find anythign offensive about the album.

I was talking to someone the other day who thought that Scalplock's album, while tackling a real social issue, is far less offensive than the Prodigy encouraging date rape and domestic violence. Any thoughts?

 

[Mazinger]

Nobody is stopping you from producing an album.

Go buy a cd burner and a printer and produce as many albums as you want. Nobody is going to come in there and say "You can't make that album!"

Just because the presses printed something "offensive" in the past doesn't mean they have to do it in the present or future.

If I owned a printing shop and someone comes in and wants x number of copies of something that I or my shop doesn't want to be associated with, then I have a right to tell them to go somewhere else.

 

[Opus(sy)2]

well it looks like most of the censorship is in germany.....so erm....im not bothered

 

[DanW]

I certainly see what you're saying. Freedom of speech should work both ways. People should be free to say no just as much as they are to say anything else.

I'm going to contemplate this point tonight and will post something tomorrow. Good one!

 

[kamikaze]

Censorship is a plaugue upon the creativity of mankind, IMO.

 

[union9]

Freedom of speech should work both ways.That sums the whole debate in that one phrase.And another worthy quote was cenorship should be used for the kids.Defenitly.Anyone over eighteen "should" be able to discern right from wrong.But one thing that i personaly am against is extreme right wing views on racism and neo nazi bullshit and pediphelia.I would kill certain people out there that support wholehartedly these views and opinions.But in saying that,i don't agree with the complete banning on this subject matter by artists that graphicly depict nature from such scum topics as metioned above in a bid to put forward a message that shows us how inhumane these people are that support such acts.It all boils down to common sence and how fucked in the head you really are.

 

[Mazinger]

Originally posted by DanW
I certainly see what you're saying. Freedom of speech should work both ways. People should be free to say no just as much as they are to say anything else.

I'm going to contemplate this point tonight and will post something tomorrow. Good one!

Here's more stuff to think about.

Freedom of speech, yes. But this label is refusing to serve you too.
What makes someone else's product suitable for pressing, but your isn't?

I know it sounds like I'm on both sides of the fence.

I guess my main issue with your post was you using the word censorship. This sounds more like a form of discrimination, but without more information I don't want to say too much more.

Refusing to press someone's album because of their political belief is discrimination and wrong.

ex. A KKK member comes in and wants a record he made pressed. It's just normal children's songs, no form of racism in the content.
Do I refuse to serve him because of his beliefs?

Refusing to press someone's album because of the material in the album.....???????

ex. Same person, but wants an album pressed with racist content.
Personally I'd refuse to press him album because I don't want to
help this person with his agenda and I (me and the pressing company)don't want to be associated with this album.
Do I have the right to press other people's albums, but discriminate against him?

Who knows? It's an "iffy" situation.

If you don't mind, may I ask what country is this happening in?

I'm sure you're doing a lot of research regarding this situation.
There might come a time where you'll have to seek legal counsel.