Commies

[Har*]

Sorry i dont get it this commie student and commie worker thing? is it how u call the young commies and the 'old school' ones?
If so well i cant really say a thing about workers voting commies for jealousy since i have no clue about communism in Finland. But what pops up to my mind is that well any kind of worker wont go and vote for anyone not giving a flying fuck to them condition, right? and the commies does ( at least in France, again )

The jealousy part. Well quite many wants the benefits of capitalism without taking any risks themselves. And quite many seems to think that if someone runs a company he/she is automatically filthy rich.

The work force have it too good over here. Be a part of an labour union, work for a half year and after that you benefit over a year ridiciously high unemployment fee. On long term this can only be harmful to everyone. Somebody got to pay the bills and capitalism is way more effective way to make the money compared to communism (or any kind of idealistic leftwing stuff). I think Finland and many other so called welfare states are in serious trouble when Estonia and similar new EU-candinates kicks our arse with their dynamic style.

 

[Strangelight]

you know when countries are poor and that. why dont they just make more money, physically like. Print a few billion more notes. Then everyone would be a bit richer and that.

 

[intet]

"if you're not a communist in your 20s then you haven't got a heart. if you're still a communist in your 40s then you haven't got a brain".

read that somewhere.

 

[toolsofthetrade]

winston churchill.

 

[Har*]

you know when countries are poor and that. why dont they just make more money, physically like. Print a few billion more notes. Then everyone would be a bit richer and that.

Ha ha ha. Actually that trick is close relative to communism. Nothing to with the real life (or money).

Now I feel like a complete retard. Spending last evening arguing over here over this stupid shit which was a bad drunken idea at the first place. And apparently I still keep doing this.

 

[Strangelight]

why doesnt it happen though?

 

[Lenore]

Ha ha ha. Actually that trick is close relative to communism. Nothing to with the real life (or money).

Now I feel like a complete retard. Spending last evening arguing over here over this stupid shit which was a bad drunken idea at the first place. And apparently I still keep doing this.

I am not arguing.I have no time to waste arguying over the Internet.I'm trying to understand mostly because i'm interested in what leads to your conclusions and how it is like in Finland, that's all
Now i find it just sad you have a basic right-winged-lad speech, praising left wings system failures when this is all about giving everyone the same chances. Yes people are taking way too much advantages of it ( like with unemployment fee to get back to your example ) , but then it's about individuals, not about the system itself. With the right wing, so called liberal or not, the only goal is protecting them wealth, as they sometimes trying to use some left speeches and ideals just to reassure the people that they're not being properly fucked.

Strangelight, i'm afraid if it was happening the billions would go into the same pockets, probably not into the one's that needs it.Oh well then again i'm basing on France example, but i'm pretty sure it would happen this way anyway.

 

[Dora]

I hate right-winged stuff, they are all nazis. (Right wing has nothing to do with liberalism anyway, rather nationalism, conservatives and that, afaik)

 

[Har*]

I am not arguing.I have no time to waste arguying over the Internet.I'm trying to understand mostly because i'm interested in what leads to your conclusions and how it is like in Finland, that's all
Now i find it just sad you have a basic right-winged-lad speech, praising left wings system failures when this is all about giving everyone the same chances.

I understand why you think your way. My arguments used to be exactly like yours until I realized this lefties stuff is just as selfish as anything else. That's how human beings operate. There are exceptions sure but idealism (imho) have no much of a place in real world.

Yes people are taking way too much advantages of it ( like with unemployment fee to get back to your example ) , but then it's about individuals, not about the system itself. With the right wing, so called liberal or not, the only goal is protecting them wealth, as they sometimes trying to use some left speeches and ideals just to reassure the people that they're not being properly fucked.

Yes it's about individuals. Once again humans are selfish by nature. That's why our species exist. The capitalism has it's internal laws that apparently works. Communism as a system doesn't. Left-wing politicians are only good sharing the money others have made.

Strangelight, i'm afraid if it was happening the billions would go into the same pockets, probably not into the one's that needs it.Oh well then again i'm basing on France example, but i'm pretty sure it would happen this way anyway.

Was that comment for that printing money part? Eh. If that was you answer I don't feel like discussing with you bout politics. That kind of money would fuck the economy up big time.

 

[Har*]

I hate right-winged stuff, they are all nazis. (Right wing has nothing to do with liberalism anyway, rather nationalism, conservatives and that, afaik)

So if the basic assumption would be that everybody should look after themselves you're a nazi?

I think I'm very liberal by the true meaning of word. I don't give a flying fuck of Finland and especially finnish people as general. Best man for the job is my motto and I think it's as fair as it gets. Let people help each other by all means but it should be volunteer.

 

[Lenore]

I understand why you think your way. My arguments used to be exactly like yours until I realized this lefties stuff is just as selfish as anything else. That's how human beings operate. There are exceptions sure but idealism (imho) have no much of a place in real world.

Idealism has its place in this world when at least people having those set up things in this direction. Ingrid Betancourt is an idealist, and she has done everything that was in her power to lead her fight against corruption in Colombia.She still does, and will still do if she ever survive her abduction.[www.betancourt.info]
To be jaded, disillusionned is something i can easily understand, but i think acting selfish and bitter because of it is a waste and doesn't lead anywhere.

Yes it's about individuals. Once again humans are selfish by nature. That's why our species exist. The capitalism has it's internal laws that apparently works. Communism as a system doesn't. Left-wing politicians are only good sharing the money others have made.

Seems we share at least the same view about people. You seem to be realistic ( = jaded & disillusionned i'd say for me ) and so am I. The slight difference is that my main goal in life is not to be like everyone else, so i use the tools i am able to use, politics in this case, to at least not die thinking i didn't try to change what i hate in this world.
Now if communism as a system doesn t work or does, i guess it's about self beliefs. I believe it could, with the right persons. You don't, OK, but why dissing people trying? always better than sitting and watching things going on.

Was that comment for that printing money part? Eh. If that was you answer I don't feel like discussing with you bout politics. That kind of money would fuck the economy up big time.

Yes it was, but it's just an hypothetic answer to an hypothetic question, i obviously know it's not that simple

 

[Bambi]

I bet you're a student Har?? if so come back when you've grown up and argue politics. I cant stand uni politicians, all middle class marxists one week and dyed in the wool conservatives the next

 

[Light]

What we need is more proper psychopathic heroes

 

[Har*]

I bet you're a student Har?? if so come back when you've grown up and argue politics. I cant stand uni politicians, all middle class marxists one week and dyed in the wool conservatives the next

Yes. Though I worked a long time in a contructing yard before I started to study.

What is grown up ?And do you have an opinion or are you just taking the piss for the sake of it. Come on. Make a stand.

 

[Har*]

Idealism has its place in this world when at least people having those set up things in this direction. Ingrid Betancourt is an idealist, and she has done everything that was in her power to lead her fight against corruption in Colombia.She still does, and will still do if she ever survive her abduction.[www.betancourt.info]

I have no problem with people trying to make things better. Problems arise when people think they know what other people should do. Idealism so far has sent me to jail. No effect in anything whatsoever. I only maked my own life harder. And it took me years to realize that.

 

[Aerwen]

you know when countries are poor and that. why dont they just make more money, physically like. Print a few billion more notes. Then everyone would be a bit richer and that.

hahaha... great deal.... but I agree, this would be great, I just wonder why it doesn't work... !?!

 

[Light]