Cool hi-hat isolation trick (?)

[LBTM]

I've found this cool trick in a studio report of a band that recorded with Kurt Ballou (Converge). He puts a micscreen around the hi-hat to isolate it and minimize bleed. Have anyone tried it? Is this a good idea?

 

[egan.]

Not quite the same but yeah, I've done it to keep the hats from bleeding into my first tom and being dominant in the room mics.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecyc2wv5c981dc9/IMG_5406.jpg

 

[Sloan]

i would have just stacked a bunch of those fucking amps around it so the drummer couldn't see/touch it, then just overdubbed it later. LOL

 

[Paule]

I saw a picture of someone who puts a cymbal between hihat and and the snare mic.

 

[LBTM]

Also this can work: http://georgievsound.com/diy-disk/

 

[Sloan]

Also this can work: http://georgievsound.com/diy-disk/

totaly digging that.

 

[LBTM]

Better picture:

 

[Daunt]

Really cool tip! Another similar would be adding some thick rugs around the kit so that they are hanging roughly 1 meter above the floor. You can do this using some mic boom stands aligned vertically. This way you would get less direct cymbals in the room, but the kick and snare would shoot right through!

 

[LBTM]

Another one:

 

[solphilcox]

seen lots of engineers here in nashville gooseneck a ping pong (table tennis) bat from the snare mic's stand so that it horizontally covers the cap (57), so that it comes directly between the bottom hi hat and the snare/mic; heard some amazing natural tones with a fair bit of distance (up to 6 inches from the rim/head), seems to really kill that bleed.

 

[Uros]

^^haha funny and cool sounding tip, gotta try it out!

 

[LBTM]

@solphilcox any photos? i can't understand it.

 

[006]

In case anyone missed my thread regarding the Primacoustic Crashguard for exactly this purpose, check it out here. The end result is that it doesn't do a whole lot to be honest. Mainly seems like a LP filter is applied to the HH bleed, which after compression and EQ to the snare track is basically the same as before, just not quite as bright. It affects the midrange of the snare, as well as the bleed of course, which may or may not be desirable (clips in thread).

I've been trying to find a way to destroy hat bleed as much as possible in the snare mic with every project I do, nothing seems to really do a whole lot to help out so far.

 

[LBTM]

Has anyone thought putting a Senheiser e606 on the snare like this under the hi-hat...

and adding DUCT TAPE and FOAM to the null side to get rid of the bleed?

edit: and this combined with the micscreen....booom... where's your hi-hat bitch?

 

[Trevoire520]

That is a VERY strange placement. Equivalent to putting a 57 totally vertical, no stick attack and lots of ringyness would be order of the day I'd wager.

 

[LBTM]

@Trevoire520 say you put it in a 30 degree angle with duct tape and foam, still you will get a pretty good isolation, right?

 

[BLUElightCory]

That is a VERY strange placement. Equivalent to putting a 57 totally vertical, no stick attack and lots of ringyness would be order of the day I'd wager.

Agreed.

 

[LBTM]

Agreed.

Say you put it in 30 degrees like you would normally put a e606 under the hi-hat and you put duct tape and foam. won't that kill hi-hat bleed?

is there anybody who can test this? :Spin:

 

[The StabbinCabin]

But the whole point was to have the capsule facing exactly opposite from the source of the bleeding, right? The 30 degree angle wouldn't make it any different from a 57 or anything else then I think since the body of the microphone would act as the dampener or whatever you'd want to call it.

I'm not sure how the whole uncovered mic looks- but doesn't a cardioid capsule react like an omni directional source when it's been covered poorly...? I'm fairly certain I read about something like that in regards to live sound and vocalists who tend to hold the mic by cupping the whole grill. Though thinking about that, I'm not sure how that would even work

 

[Sloan]

^The Sennheiser e606/e609 (same mic) is actually SUPER-CARDIOID.