Copy-protected cds

S

sknight

Are You Morbid?
Aug 26, 2003
1,234
2
38
LI, NY-The center of heavy metal and SUVs
I posted this over at the Nevermore board, but I would also like to hear what you guys think.

How do you guys feel about them? I think they absolutely suck. They won't play properly in most machines, especially computers. What I found out is the reason they work is because they introduce errors in the bitstream that goes outside of the cd player's error correction ability, thus, you get the random skips and pops. I think it's bullshit.

The reason why I brought it to this board is because I have a finntroll cd and it didn't play right in any of my cd players, including my car stereo. At the least, the track info is all screwed up. My computer has lots of skips and pops and I can't transfer it to my minidisc. I sent Century an email and I want to see how they handle it. By law, if a cd is altered as it is with copy controlled discs, they can't use the compact disc logo, which is owned by phillips. I looked closer and my Finntroll cd doesn't have the logo, but that's not a 100% guarantee.
Click to expand...

So from what I'm reading about these cds, my experience with them not playing right is correct. I have a couple of these Euro versions that don't play right in any player. Quite unfortunate.

Has anyone else has experience with these types of cds?
 
Not a guarantee, however. I've noted many cds without any troubles that don't have it, however I think the patent license states printers must use it somewhere. Way back when, all cds had the logos on the packaging, as well as on the disc.

http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/

The above is one site with some good info. Copy protection is illegal in some countries in Europe and it even backfired, as evidenced by the increase of illegal downloads many times over and the simulataneous slump in sales.
 
I think the whole copy protection thing is pretty useless because no matter what they do, the warez teams who release albums and who are probably the prime source for music piracy on the net will always find a way around to ripping a CD. The copy protection just ends up screwing the average consumer who wants to put the CD to fair use by playing it on different systems or making mp3s for personal use. Most people who are interested in pirating the music in the first place won't go out and buy a CD because it has protection, they'll just go look for it from a different source.
 
"Contraband" by Velvet Revolver: Reported corrupt in the UK, the US, Portugal and Germany and as supplied by CD-WOW and Amazon UK. This is a BMG release, using the MediaMax CD3 corruption. This is the one that permanently installs a trojan Windows driver to stop your normal CD-playing software from working. Watch out! In addition to the driver, it also seems to be using some more conventional corruption, because the disc is reported unreadable using Linux as well. However extraction was reported possible on an older CD-ROM drive using cdparanoia.
Click to expand...

Another note to keep an eye on. This is how bad it's getting. Additionally, the sound quality will suffer due to these control methods.
 
those assholes dude. you won't believe. i tried to put Contraband on my computer (because i backup all my CDs this way) and it made me DOWNLOAD A PROGRAM to play it. if i refused, it would just eject the disc. what fucking bullshit.

edit: and i just checked: it does indeed skip. whatever happened to "consumers shall be allowed to make a backup copy for personal use or archival" law?

oh i'm mad now. i'm going right on and getting those songs illegally. because i already should have them. what if my cd gets scratched? i want my backup copy.
 
also read about how certain companies manufacture a disc as defective on purpose to prevent proper copying. One such example is my Erber Der Shopfung cd. The hole is off center by just a bit. At 1x, it supposedly pays fine (not true). It takes a long time to load and my car player exhibits lots of grinding noises from the disc spinning. At anything other than 1x, like in a desktop drive, the disc becomes too unbalanced to spin right and risk of damage to the machine is possible.

So now they're getting malicious.
 
if BMG does this on all new CDs, i'll just download them. i won't support piracy of MY money any more than i'd support piracy of the artists.

i'm glad the underground/prog labels don't pull this kind of shit
 
The underground/prog labels are doing it. It's a matter of time. I've gotten SPV/InsideOut stuff from Europe which doesn't play right here.

I believe the Megadeth rematers are copy protected, too. The artist gets caught in the middle, though. I barely listen to cds, except the half hour drive to school and back. The rest gets transferred to minidisc right away.
 
^ lol yeah, plus they sell albums in mp3 format from itunes or wherever. Maybe they think you'll be stupid enough to buy both a seperate hard copy and digital copy of the same album?
 
I can almost sympathise with the labels at this point. As it is, they're more or less running their businesses at a loss due to the wide spread of music piracy. The thing is that the labels are assholes, yet we, the consumers, are even bigger assholes that brought this on ourselves.
 
I agree, but by and large the consumer market are mostly pirates. There's scarce people out there who devotedly still buy every CD whilst staying away from MP3 like a bad habbit.

Doesn't make what the labels do any more right though. Their tactics at combating piracy have been laughable and affect the people who do the right thing more than the wrong. All this anti-piracy crap is gonna do is make everyone get the functional, internet-based promo copies and such.
 
The record industry makes like the pirating is greater than their sales, which it is not the case. Pirating still accounts for 1/100 of the entire industry's gross, which was just varely over 1 billion last year and now down to 800 million now. It's simply that they are scratching around for every penny. Meanwhile, the retailers should be blamed because DVD's are being stocked more at record stores than cd's.

The consumer is not to blame. If it wasn't for the fact that the record companies are greedy, overcharging for music, as well as not fairly compensating artists, this would never have happened. in contrast to Moonlapse's statement, I think the record companies had it coming. Many artists even feel this is better because it allows them to leverage the record industry more. I mean, look at Opeth. They don't even own the rights to their music. Many groups don't.
 
Yeah seriously, how common do you think this type of scenario is:

Mike: hey man can you burn me a copy of your new Britney Spears cd?
Peter: can't do it... the damn thing is copy protected!
Mike: ah shoot! I guess that means I'll have to go buy myself a copy then

That's pretty much all the piracy that this copy protection crap is trying to account for. In 99% of the cases Mike just goes "ok nevermind then" or "ok I'll have to go look for it on P2P!".
 
i think we, as consumers, need to send a clear message to the music industry by not buying copy-protected cd's, as it seems obvious to everyone that they are garbage, but also by not buying overpriced cd's. i simply refuse to walk into a store and pay 16, 18, even 20 dollars for a single cd. (i realize the europeans in attendance are now shaking their heads in disgust, but...adjust the prices, you get the idea.) even if i have to wait, i'll shop around, look in every used store i can find, look on ebay and the internet, whatever it takes to not pay such an outrageous price.
the problem with the record industry is they're looking at declining sales and assuming it is due to piracy, when perhaps they should be considering lowering their prices. but oh right, that would cost them money. it is up to us, we have to make it as unprofitable as possible for them to continue their current practices.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

S
Copy-protected cds
Replies
12
Views
787
Nevermore
DecTV
D
Seance
copy-protected CDs
Replies
15
Views
1K
Non-Opeth Music Chat
Seance
S
S
Getting defective cds
Replies
2
Views
772
Opeth (Archived)
deliverance
D
JesusChristPose
My Copy of Morningrise has...
Replies
18
Views
1K
Opeth (Archived)
Spike
S
C
ABORYM - Fault on the master?
Replies
0
Views
639
code666
Cruel Humanity
C
Top Bottom