Damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it...
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Lolita Vampiriá
Sister of Mercy
Who is the leader of the club that´s made for you and me?
M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E
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M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E
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ucsbdude
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Lolita Vampiriá said:@ucsbdude: are you a devoté?
I love Depeche Mode.
Yes I am, isn't obvious from my avatar
I been a devoted devotee since 1990 (damn I was young). So yea they are one of my favorite bands 
mousewings
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We don't have mandatory army service in Canada, so I don't know a lot about it.
I can only offer my sympathies (if you hate it) and my best wishes that you at least tolerate it and that it'll be over soon.
I can only offer my sympathies (if you hate it) and my best wishes that you at least tolerate it and that it'll be over soon.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
@arch: 
what i find uncomfortable about the army is the fact that they you're eradicated from the place you live and "normal" everyday business for as long as it lasts. i have no issue with the military, but the model is outdated, and it weighs heavy on the shoulders of young people who are much better off spending that time looking for a job/career, and the army doesn't really teach you any.
i did neither - nor the army nor the civil service. i applied for the latter but there were too many people my age who were ready to serve in both departments, so i was left home altogether. with hindsight, i regret not having picked the army, since i think i would have liked a few specific job openings in the police and carabinieri.
rahvin.
what i find uncomfortable about the army is the fact that they you're eradicated from the place you live and "normal" everyday business for as long as it lasts. i have no issue with the military, but the model is outdated, and it weighs heavy on the shoulders of young people who are much better off spending that time looking for a job/career, and the army doesn't really teach you any.
i did neither - nor the army nor the civil service. i applied for the latter but there were too many people my age who were ready to serve in both departments, so i was left home altogether. with hindsight, i regret not having picked the army, since i think i would have liked a few specific job openings in the police and carabinieri.
rahvin.
Miolo
pie king
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Miolo said:like being object of stupid jokes?
i thought "well, not much of a change from my current situation".
rahvin.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Siren said:@rahvin: what is the difference between policemen and carabinieri?
carabinieri are a branch of the army: you have to join the military to be a part of this group. the "normal" police, on the other hand, is a force which is controlled - if i remember correctly - by the ministry for internal affairs. it doesn't have anything to do with the army per se.
the reason why i put them in the same "job openings" category is that if you ask to do civil service you cannot apply for any job involving the use of fire weapons later. i find it disappointing since i - as others, i suspect - wasn't objecting to the use of weapons, but i must admit there is a logic in trying to prevent at least those motivated enough to try and join either force from finding "easy ways out" to avoid the obligatory recruitment.
rahvin.
Miolo
pie king
this is the official difference. the real one is that carabinieri are the main subjects of jokes and policemen aren't.rahvin said:
Miolo
Miolo
pie king
those jokes are based on the cliché that carabinieri are stupid. so it's just making fun of them. sorry, don't know how to explain it better.Thanatos said:
Miolo
ucsbdude
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Well again my own opinion, but Sweden is a small country (at least population) and I see the mandatory service as necessary for the stability and protection of the population.
Dark_Jester
Unrepentant sentient
DeepInMisery said:'tis not merely an assault rifle.
this is my rifle. there are many like it, but this one is mine. my rifle is my best friend!
- Full Metal Jacket
This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle
is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my
life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I
must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is
trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before
God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my
country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my
life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.
- Full Metal Jacket
These are great days we're living, bros! We are jolly green giants,
walking the earth with guns. These people we wasted here today are
the finest human beings we will ever know. After we rotate back to
the world, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth
shooting.
Crazy Earl - Full Metal Jacket
wildfyr
unus spiritus est
zodi said:
i've never experienced military duty but i would imagine that the self-discipline aspects could be beneficial.
good luck! hope all goes well for you there.
MP-AKK
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I've bumped into this way of thinking a few times when I've heard different smart people here and there talking about the subject. How to deal with things in times of confusion in the world and so on. It all sounds great, it really does - but I must be missing something since I'm always left with this little question when worlds like protection is combined with the use of force. Sort of like a small stain of curiosity on the white sheets of knowledge. That question is; what are you talking about, I don't get it?ucsbdude said:
The arguments often hooks into the next step on the line, I mean; It's the same with our weapon export, or weapon manufacturing in general but it's so clear in the case about export. By tradition, Sweden has got all these national companies that's all about serving the country and arming the its military. This all goes back to thoughts about being independent and self-sufficient - neutral in times of war etc. And I guess that's fine in theory, like the not so bad option in a time of hell.
However, to make the companies work financially they need to export weapons, or parts of weapons to various countries since the small amounts that's needed by the Swedish military obviously isn't going to get the money train rolling. The export is of course regulated by different laws that are supposed to fulfill all these aspects like moral etc. I mean, we wouldn't want to upset all the fine stockholders in these companies with facts like the forces buying it actually plans to use the products like they were intended to do. That wouldn't be right, knowing that the money they make is being paid in blood and all that. Anyway, knowing that others got weapons creates this fictive need for armed forces to 'protect and serve', but what are they supposed to protect against? For me, it all leads to where it begins - it's the same. The lack of power/knowledge to actually solve conflicts results in a situation where different nations make weapons to protect them self against their own shadows - the factors that are supposedly giving stability and protection to the people is actually the threat? Who benefits from a situation like that?
_Zsuzsa_
Dumbo
Zodi, I'm happy to hear that you don't have to cut your hair, I already wanted to lit a candle for you
And why is your service 10 months long?
The army in Hungary is 6 months but I hope that it won't be mandatory soon. I really can't imagine how a bunch of teen boys with no real experiences in fighting could defend a country... What we need is ppl who WANTS to join the army so they can become proffesionals.
And as much as I hate to admit it, as the world's situation is now, every country needs a well equipped army...
And why is your service 10 months long?
The army in Hungary is 6 months but I hope that it won't be mandatory soon. I really can't imagine how a bunch of teen boys with no real experiences in fighting could defend a country... What we need is ppl who WANTS to join the army so they can become proffesionals.
And as much as I hate to admit it, as the world's situation is now, every country needs a well equipped army...
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