David Hookes Is Dead!!

[spawn]

I just read that he was standing there facing the other way when he was hit, what the hell is wrong with that idiot who hit him? Why would you even do that? He wasnt even directly involved by the sounds of it.

If thats true I hope the guy who hit him is jailed for life, though he will probably get a good behavious bond or something ridiculous like that knowing our laws

I cant believe someone would hit a man with his back turned who wasnt directly involved in it.

 

[Celestial-Todd]

Knowing how bouncers work, it doesn't surprise me in the least Spawn!

 

[spawn]

Knowing how bouncers work, it doesn't surprise me in the least Spawn!

I just dont understand why a bouncer would hit someone facing the other way who was just standing there when its his job to break up the fights etc. Why would you possibly hit a guy twice your age who was just standing there? Why wasnt the bouncer breaking up the argument?

 

[Celestial-Todd]

Wrong place, wrong time I suppose. The bouncer was prolly so riled up that he was just swinging at anyone standing in the way, all the more reason the fucker should be locked away

 

[spawn]

all the more reason the fucker should be locked away

Yep.

 

[Winmar]

It's just fucking terrible. The prick should be locked up for a long time. At least his name, picture and suburb have been put in the paper so everyone knows who he is. Pricks like him don't deserve to live.

 

[Sydo]

It happened 50odd metres away from the hotel too. What the fuck is with that?
Were the bouncer's gonna follow them home or something?

 

[spawn]

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8430868%255E2,00.html

It looks like the bouncers followed them down the street.

 

[KoichCPA]

I've seen news stories with about 5 different versions of events now.

 

[TinMan666]

hmmm

You guys know that I work as a bouncer, right?

Seriously though... when I was young I used to HATE bouncers. Not all of them, but the ones at certain clubs anyway. So when me and my mates got into the industry, we were determined NOT to turn into the typical arsehole bouncers that everyone hates.

Now first of all I really don't know ANYTHING about what happened with Hookes (haven't even read the article yet), and if he did get hit in the back of the head, that's just unacceptable. Also if the guy had an assualt charge pending, then I'm pretty sure he should NOT have been elligible to work in security / crowd control.

So anyway... having said all that - yes there are some total dickheads working in security simply because they are meatheads with no other skills other than the ability to beat people's heads in... but for the most part they're the minority.

But getting back to my point about not wanting to turn into typical arsehole bouncers... what you then get is constantly dealing with drunken, irrational, aggressive MORONS who just want to piss you off.

I've been pretty lucky so far and not had anything too bad happen to me, but the amount of times my mates have had people spit in their face, punch them in the back of the head, threaten to stab them, burn down their house, kill their mother... the list goes on and on... it's unbelievable! And over what? Because you've politely asked them to take their drink off of the dance floor? Or not smoke in the non smoking area, or because you've woken them up and said "come on buddy, it's time to go... let me call you a taxi and we'll see you next week"

so with that kind of shit going on, it's no wonder guys eventually become a bit less patient. Our policy is usually something like "ask them once, then TELL them once, then (if they still won't walk) drag them out".

Actually come to think of it there were guys in my club last night that knew Hookesy (so they said anyway) and of course were talking about all this stuff about bouncers, but they also kept saying "not you guys... but at OTHER clubs...."

So don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the bouncer, as it sounds to me like he's definately done the wrong thing and is one of the guys that give the lot of us a bad reputation. Just giving you guys a bit of an idea of what it's like from the other side of things tho....

Anyway.. back on topic. This is real shame and just a stupid waste of a life, especially the life of one of our countries sporting greats.

Hopefully justice will be done.

 

[TinMan666]

ok just read the article

The dispute spilled out on to the street, with three bouncers allegedly following Hookes and the group, including Berry and Lehmann, about 70m down the road.

A Cowderoy St resident said he then heard someone say, "You want to play smart mouth, now face the music", before a punch sent Hookes to the ground and the cricket world into mourning.

Based on that, yeah - the bouncer should face several serious charges, and hopefully will be locked up for a decent amount of time.

 

[Shannow]

TinMan,
thanks for your input.

I agree it must be a shit job at times.

 

[Southy]

Fucking LOW russian bastard, thats all Hookesey's MURDERER is....

 

[TinMan666]

TinMan,
thanks for your input.

I agree it must be a shit job at times.

sometimes... other times it's bloody great though. Like my regular venue, it's usually nice and quite, I get along well with most of the staff and regulars... last night I commented that 'it's not like work at all, more like just hanging out at the local with my mates, and getting paid for it".

That's until you get the crap beaten out of you of course

the pay is shit too compared to what I'm used to from when I worked in I.T

 

[Sydo]

last night I commented that 'it's not like work at all, more like just hanging out at the local with my mates, and getting paid for it".

That's probably where the biggest problems arise.. with bouncers thinking that it's 'their' club, and anyone who doesn't want to be their mate is a troublemaker.

 

[TinMan666]

actually sometimes I think it's the other way around... when you get guys who are playing up a bit, and you think you should probably get rid of them, but one of the other guys says "nah, I know them, they'll be ok"... sometimes that's GOOD cos it saves having a confrontation, and the guy who knows them can just have a friendly chat to them and say "pull your head in" or whatever... but other times it can be bad cos you get guys who think they can get away with murder cos "my mate does security here".

I think if you do your job professionally, be polite and friendly, most people are pretty good. Most will shake your hand on the way out, say thanks, and then next week you get a friendly greeting from them and everything is good. Then if there is any incident with them, you're on good enough terms with them to be able to sort it out verbally (most of the time) rather than physically. However, there are always gonna be some guys (and girls) who just have a "who the fuck does this guy think he is? I could probably kick his arse anyway..." attitude - no matter how nice you try to be.

woah I've totally hijacked this topic now. :-\

 

[Dakk]

Apologies TinMan - your comments are great & while I respect your attitude I still don't like bouncers, full stop. I have to say that at least 90% of the ones I've encountered in my time - playing in bands or otherwise - has been negative. Around Manly in Sydney the clubs & pubs are over-run with overly aggressive Islanders & Moari's. You (literally, cause it's happened to me!) get dragged out of a pub by your collar by some of them just because you dared to look at them. No bad-mouthing. No "I'm gunna pick a fight with you!" looks. Nothing. Just a chance look at them as they get near you.

When you can't go to a club without wondering whether the bouncers are going to cause you grief, not drunken fuckwits, the industry is in big trouble. We (Dungeon) played at BJ's in Bondi last year & the (fully sick mate) bouncers that were there followed my wife outta the club when she went to get some food. They stood within 3 metres of her for half the night blatantly ogling her. She was scared. These are the people who are paid to look out for you - not look to get you or (potentially) rape a good looking girl when she leaves the club they're "securing". That was the feeling she had & the looks I got when they realised I was behind them as they followed her was more fuel in my "anti-bouncer" fire. I don't trust ANY of them. They (and sorry TinMan, but I'm generalising again) need psychiatric evaluations before they get the jobs & Shannow(?) was right - people who want to be security guards should NEVER be allowed to be.

BTW - the David Hookes death is tragic & just highlights the mis-trust I have for bouncers. What the fuck is with them when they FOLLOW someone down the street!? They're out of the club - get over it, game over. Being a security guard seems to me to be (again, generally) a licence to be a fucking thug.

 

[JonBonJovi]

He was punched pretty hard in the face he fell back hit his head on the concrete and had a severe heart attack!
All in all the shit should not have been able to hold a security licence or have had it suspended till the whole previous assault thing was solved!

 

[Blitzkrieg]

People who want to be Police should never, ever get that job.

Wasn't it the Zen'do'Kai mob who ran the security around there for a long time (including a few years of summernats) ?

I am currently going through the motions of applying with Victoria Police, and am a Zen Do Kai black belt.

I agree with alot of the negative stuff that is being said about bouncers though, alot of them are people that want a job where they can be in control of other people and situations etc. Obviously all of them are not like that, as Tinman has said, but there is some true dickheads out there. Its the same with police really (though bouncers are much, much worse IMO), some of them just want to be on a power trip, and it ruins the reputations for the ones that want to do their job and help people.

 

[TinMan666]

Apologies TinMan - your comments are great & while I respect your attitude I still don't like bouncers, full stop. I have to say that at least 90% of the ones I've encountered in my time - playing in bands or otherwise - has been negative. Around Manly in Sydney the clubs & pubs are over-run with overly aggressive Islanders & Moari's. You (literally, cause it's happened to me!) get dragged out of a pub by your collar by some of them just because you dared to look at them. No bad-mouthing. No "I'm gunna pick a fight with you!" looks. Nothing. Just a chance look at them as they get near you.

When you can't go to a club without wondering whether the bouncers are going to cause you grief, not drunken fuckwits, the industry is in big trouble. We (Dungeon) played at BJ's in Bondi last year & the (fully sick mate) bouncers that were there followed my wife outta the club when she went to get some food. They stood within 3 metres of her for half the night blatantly ogling her. She was scared. These are the people who are paid to look out for you - not look to get you or (potentially) rape a good looking girl when she leaves the club they're "securing". That was the feeling she had & the looks I got when they realised I was behind them as they followed her was more fuel in my "anti-bouncer" fire. I don't trust ANY of them. They (and sorry TinMan, but I'm generalising again) need psychiatric evaluations before they get the jobs & Shannow(?) was right - people who want to be security guards should NEVER be allowed to be.

hmmm... sounds pretty fucked up. I agree, from what you've said those guys have no business being in the security industry.

Best thing to do in that situation would be to call up the venue management during office hours and tell them what happened - especially as you were also in the employment of the venue on that night, so it's not like they can just write you off as being some drunken dickhead who got kicked out for doing the wrong thing. Bouncers like that are bad for business, and I would expect the venue management would definately complain to the bosses of the security company, and those guys would quite likely find themselves out of a job.