Debate: Globalization

[Dak]

Uh, those guidestones read like hippie crap that a handful people with money put together. You're making a fucking massive leap to associate some 30 year old carvings with any current conspiracy theories. As for those other think tanks, I don't see any evidence that they are anything more than that.

1. If you don't see the massive problem with what is written on those stones I won't spend much time going into any of this with you.

2. What kind of evidence do you want? A video on each think tanks main page showing all the members saying "We want to control everything forever" in unison?

To claim my statement

The group that doesn't think they need to die is probably the people currently with a lot of money and power who want to maintain their power/pass it on to their "superior posterity" forever.

is retarded shows a lack of research. Why else would groups of the rich and powerful get together and have secret meetings? We can only guess what is discussed at the yearly Bilderberg meetings but I gauruntee it has nothing to do with how they can help out those less fortunate.

These seemingly innocuous "think tanks" (run by the fucking Rockefellers) are really just like a "farm team" for various positions of power to ensure that the "plan" is carried out and no free thinkers get in the way of the .

If you look at the membership lists of these think tanks, you see nearly all the political and financial movers and shakers of at least the last 30 years. This is how people you have never heard of before suddenly appear in the national spotlight.

Quote from David Rockefeller's autobiography "Memoirs":

For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Globalization is the publicly admitted goal of these think tanks, what is the "conspiracy theory" is how they go about achieving it , and what they intend to achieve through globalization.

 

[Dak]

We get it, you don't like Obama. STFU now?


Besides which, the georgia guidestones thing honestly seems pretty reasonable...not exactly "establish thought control, enslave the masses, institute communism" or anything.

Also, overpopulation is a real problem. However, it's not necessary to kill people to depopulate the planet, just lower birth rates and wait for old people to die (it would help if we cut them off from health care or put them to work but obviously that would be unconscionable).

1. Who said I was talking about Obama? I just described a very generic yet very possible situation.

2. Current overpopulation is a myth, we are no where near overpopulation. Intentionally piss-poor management is the cause of the problem, as Zeph semi-alluded too.

 

[waif]

1. If you don't see the massive problem with what is written on those stones I won't spend much time going into any of this with you.

How fucking paranoid are you? Somebody writes some shit down on a rock and you're convinced there's a massive conspiracy? Those goals hardly sound like the goals of some world elite. Any idiot can secretly have some shit put on a rock.

1. Who said I was talking about Obama? I just described a very generic yet very possible situation.

2. Current overpopulation is a myth, we are no where near overpopulation. Intentionally piss-poor management is the cause of the problem, as Zeph semi-alluded too.

Did I say it was currently a problem? I said it's a real problem that will be fucking us shortly.

 

[Dak]

How fucking paranoid are you? Somebody writes some shit down on a rock and you're convinced there's a massive conspiracy? Those goals hardly sound like the goals of some world elite. Any idiot can secretly have some shit put on a rock.

Any "idiot" with enough money to pay for the land/a massive monument and keep the identity a secret for 30 years.

If you can read into the real intent of the pseudo-peaceful bs inscribed on it, you can see it is really about destroying national sovereignty, promoting eugenics/trans-humanism, and ultimate control in the hands of a few.

 

[waif]

How many billions do you think it cost them? God, they clearly have limitless resources. We can only be facing the Illuminati.

If a "they" existed and "they" planned on doing something, they wouldn't exactly tell us about it, would they?

 

[Dak]

How many billions do you think it cost them? God, they clearly have limitless resources. We can only be facing the Illuminati.

If a "they" existed and "they" planned on doing something, they wouldn't exactly tell us about it, would they?

The best place to hide something is out in the open.

I wasn't going to bother bringing the Illuminati into this. If you want to though we can.

 

[Zephyrus]

What you are bringing into this is no different, so how about talking about reality?

 

[Dak]

Reality?

Globalization has been going roughly since WWI with the attempted League of Nations, and has gathered steam post-WWII with the creation of the United Nations and the use of the dollar as the world reserve currency.

Fact:
The CFR openly supports and activily works towards globalization.
The CFR is openly membered by and funded by large corporations and banks.
Most major political figures over the last 20-30 years (whether elected officials, or "appointees")were/are members of the CFR.

The Trilateral Commission has a similar purpose but as opposed to being membered specifically by Americans, it's three "members" are players from North America, Europe, and Japan. Very often members from the CFR are also involved in the Trilateral Commission.

This is all public information. My conclusion is that these powerful people are seeking globalization for selfish reasons and personal gain, not because they want to see a better life for the everyman.

It is not outside reality to question ulterior motives behind the actions of these people.

What I want people to do is connect the dots. Globalization as it is being pushed by the large corporations/banks and implemented by their political lackeys is not going to be in our best interests.

Edit: It is also interesting to me how the same people who are very pro "antitrust" laws, support the very opposite concept in government. If business monopoly is bad, why would government monopoly be good?

 

[Death Aflame]

Globalization ought to be termed Corporate American Imperialism of Global Culture, since let's face it, 'globalization' is more or less a euphemism for the mcdonaldsization of the world.

So yes, I do not like it much.

 

[Dak]

'globalization' is more or less a euphemism for the mcdonaldsization

More of an effect than a cause but funny none-the-less.

 

[sadistik necrofiend]

Perhaps you folks heard about all the states that are trying to claim state sovereignty? It hasn't been well publiced yet, but since some some states like NH have state reps that are getting pretty mad I think it may appear in the media somewhat soon. A lot of states are getting really pissed that the Fed is trying to take over and run things within the state.

In Texas there are some state reps trying to oppose the feds bringing in Overseas companies to fix roads etc. Ron Paul would have been a good president in my opinion and actually a lot of people are starting to support him more and more as he truly realized that the Federal Reserve needed to be abolished as that is exactly what has been making the economy go down the drain.

Alot of people are starting to realize that the Federal Reserve is a scam. If you really look into it it is pretty much just the 3rd run at a central bank in which the previous 2 had been ran out of down by Thomas Jefferson and others in the early days of this country when he and many of our other founding fathers saw the treat that the Central Bank/federal reserve system was going for at the time.
Jefferson once said "The bold effort the present bank had made to control the Government, the distress it had wantonly produced... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution, or the establishment of another like it."

This is just a part of it, not too mention how the states are getting bombarded with how to run things with say the fed trying to ban home schooling in some states and medical marijuana for some states who have already passed such laws etc.
The are mainly stating that the feds are overtreading past the 10th ammendment thus the reason why the states are trying to oppose the fed.

Check out these links for more info.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2009/02/16.html

http://infowars.com/resources/states-rights.html

 

[sadistik necrofiend]

As to where globalism comes in, it is apparent that overseas companies and multinational corporations are messing things up in the economy.

I can only imagine if say there was a national boycot in every state against Walmart, Starbucks, and Mcdonalds for say a day that if you turned it around and all that was aimed towards the local economy I am pretty confident there would be a huge spike economically. People have only become dependant based on that these institutions are everywhere, reeling people in with low prices, and are convenient in their area.

 

[unknown]

wtf does globalization have to do with world literature? (unless if you guys are doing some sort of new historicism critique of something written recently, but still...)

still waiting

 

[sadistik necrofiend]

Perhaps you folks heard about all the states that are trying to claim state sovereignty? It hasn't been well publiced yet, but since some some states like NH have state reps that are getting pretty mad I think it may appear in the media somewhat soon. A lot of states are getting really pissed that the Fed is trying to take over and run things within the state.

In Texas there are some state reps trying to oppose the feds bringing in Overseas companies to fix roads etc. Ron Paul would have been a good president in my opinion and actually a lot of people are starting to support him more and more as he truly realized that the Federal Reserve needed to be abolished as that is exactly what has been making the economy go down the drain.

Alot of people are starting to realize that the Federal Reserve is a scam. If you really look into it it is pretty much just the 3rd run at a central bank in which the previous 2 had been ran out of down by Thomas Jefferson and others in the early days of this country when he and many of our other founding fathers saw the treat that the Central Bank/federal reserve system was going for at the time.
Jefferson once said "The bold effort the present bank had made to control the Government, the distress it had wantonly produced... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution, or the establishment of another like it."

This is just a part of it, not too mention how the states are getting bombarded with how to run things with say the fed trying to ban home schooling in some states and medical marijuana for some states who have already passed such laws etc.
The are mainly stating that the feds are overtreading past the 10th ammendment thus the reason why the states are trying to oppose the fed.

Check out these links for more info.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88218

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2009/02/16.html

http://infowars.com/resources/states-rights.html

Just now realized there was a State Sovereignty issue thread somewhere else here. Oops.

 

[Dak]

State Sovereignty?

State Sovereignty Issue Thread

Edit: lol. Minute late.