Defretting your bass

Celine Dion

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Aug 5, 2003
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I'm wondering if any of you tried that before? I just a bought a Carvin LB75 (which is awesome) and I have this old Vantage 725B that I'd like to defret. I found some tutorials over the internet but I wanted advices from "real" people who actually tried it out. Any tips on how I should do that?
 
SanderThomas said:
Nope.. I have turned my old Vantage 725B into a piccolo bass and bought a 755 Fretless instead :D
What do you mean by "turn a bass into a piccolo bass"??? :err:

And... WHAT IS A PICCOLO BASS?? :confused: What is the difference between a bass and a piccolo bass?? :confused:

Do you have any pictures like "before/after"?? ;)
 
yeah ,but you have to be carefull.first you have to set up some tools to sand the surface and take the frets off.When taking them off,make shure the edges are not destroyed as well as edges of the holes that will be left.You will need some acryl spatula(dont know if thats the right word -im not english :)) to fiil it up ,read the instrustion carefully ,especially the time of drying and hardening .A piece of rubber or something like that may come in hend when putting the spatula into the holes .Now -very importand thing -take some stiff plastic whatever it might be BUT the edge of that must be straight to take away whats left on the neck AND! do it before the spatula dries up! The las but not least and very important as well:if you dont feel like having enough skills to sand the neck-just dont .you can either finish it with some extra strong boat laqeur or just impregnate it.The first option takes more time and skills(sanding) ,and believe me its hard.Once i did it with my bass i had to take the neck to a specialist (holes and bumps!) .Well thats all ,feel free to ask and comment.
 
I just finished defretting a bass.
Here's an awesome website
http://www.seangallagher.net/Miscellany/Defretting/defretting.html

Basically:
1. Remove frets (screwdriver worked for me)
2. Sand down with coarse paper
3. Fill the gaps with woodfiller (available at any hardware store)
4. Sand down with corase sandpaper and then with a fine sand paper
[Optional] - I stained the neck after this for aesthetic purposes, not necessary
5. Put many coats of polyurethane on it (sanding finely between coats)

check out pics of my defretted bass (if webshots isn't being so stupid)
http://community.webshots.com/user/chicknstew
 
alperozt said:
piccolo bass is a bass which is tuned E A D G (for a four string) but 1 octave higher than the regular bass. It corresponds to the pitch of a regular guitar.
Hmmmm, got it, it's like playing a "normal" bass but starting from the 12th fret :D

Thanks for the explanation! ;)

BTW, any recordings you could recommend for listening to a piccolo bass??
 
picollo bass? bass is a bass ,man ,34 inches of fuckin'great bass sound , no hights ,just lows,an ,beautifull lows...
 
Hey Bassista, you've got to open up your perception of music dude. I believe people shouldn't get stuck in names. Tell me the difference between violin viola cello contracello etc? They only have different tunings. It is a way to obtain the sound you are looking for. When it comes to piccolo bass, it is not meant to replace the bass, actually it is not meant to replace anything, it is just a different instrument and people use it as simple as that. Oh, btw, I think you don't like 32, 35 and 36 inch sclae basses as well :).
 
By the way, I think Joey DeMaio from Manowar uses a piccolo bass to achieve that sound most of the time, am I right???
 
well ,yeah i dig that shit as well as the piccolo ,but my opinion is that piccolo is a bas and i dont want to be seen as a narrow-minded puritan but ,still,sometimes people use that kind of instrument not knowing their purpose or sometimes 'cause Les Claypool or Mr.DG uses the same.The thing is -Malone uses 5 string fretless simple one pickup bass,w/markers! Just take a look at Conklin monsters ! 8 or 9 strings??? 36 frets????? people who are seen as masters usually dont need that great machines to make reassy awsome music and sometimes people who use that shit usually are zero skilled loosers -thats my point .And yes Joe uses piccolo and he rocks!:) i dont like Manowar though:) greets'n'cheers
 
RE: Bassista

I agree with you, man. Talent shows off no matter what instrument you play. SDG uses a five string, Victor Wooten or Marcus Miller plays a 4 string and Arguably the most talented and influential bass player of all time, Jaco, used to play an abused, chipped Fender 4 string which he defretted himself. 6 string players, John Myung (whom I really don't like that much and the reasons for that are a different subject) and Tyr (again, I have a few comments on him but he is 2nd to SDG :) IMO). I have no heroes who play more strings. I'm sure there are real good musicians who play 8 or 9 string bass but it is true that there are --and I'm quoting from you-- zero skilled losers, who think if the equipment is expensive, it'll play for you.
 
Re: Razorhead95

There are two answers to your question. If you want to get the simple answer The reason for taking the frets off of the bass is obtaining an inexpensive fretless bass. The second answer is more towards a question "Why do you want to have a fretless bass?". I'm not sure what your question exactly is in this regard, so I'm not gonna go into that unless you were asking this.

-A
 
yeah ,Jaco rox,and Sean Malone is ok too.Myung is for me a true pro player (bass lines equal to Petrucci's riffs ,man...)and a lot of respect for him .By the way ,who's Tyr?never heard of him(sorry:) ) and about that fretless... i took of frets( i won't show the picture cause it looks rather like frankenstein than bass) and i fully aggree with Alperozt with these questions - true indeed they are .I did it from the first reason :) but i'm hoping to get a 5 string fretless Musicman if i get money for it .
 
Re: Bassista

Tyr (I think this is a pseudonym he uses, his real name is Erik Tivaz but don't trust in that) is a real talented bass player somehow related to Steve Digiorgio. Steve DiGiorgio plays bass on the last two Vintersorg albums (you probably know that) and Vintersorg (the man, not the band) sings for Borknagar. Until recently Tyr was the bassist for Borknagar. He is as good as Steve DiGiorgio in terms of rhythm parts and soloing but in my opinion he tries to show his talent off a little bit. He can play insanely fast and I love his solos on Borknagar's Empricism album. You've got to check him out.

Re: Razorhead95

There might be several reasons to have a fretless bass. The fretless bass has a characteristic sound to it which some people call as "mwaaah" sound. Frets on the fretted instruments limits the positions on which the strings rests. Hence, the pitch of the sound is independent of the position of the finger within that fret. This gives a more crisp sound. But as you slide up or down on the neck this makes the sound discontinuous. One other reason for a fretless bass might sound strange, but it was done on the Elegy album of Amorphis. The western music is based on seminotes. That is to say if you think about the divisions of the scale except in between B-C and E-F, there is a seminote. This makes a twelve semitones in one octave. In the middle eastern music (and naturally the instruments) each whole note is divided into 9 subnotes. To attain the middle eastern melodies with a fretted bass (which is set for western music) is quite difficult. The fretless bass, on the other hand, has no limiting elements and you can obtain any frequency of the strings by positioning your finger on the fretboard onto the position you want and this enables the player to play the middleeastern melodies.

To give you a short answer, people usually prefer fretless bass for the mwah sound and its less crisp sound.