Deus Ex: Human Revolution Trailer
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Game looks really cool, but it's got that kinda thing going like the Star Wars prequels had. More advanced technology (or more advanced LOOKING technology) further back in the timeline.
Considering it's set before the first Deus Ex, this sort of thing makes my brain go haywire.
Looking forward to this game though!
Considering it's set before the first Deus Ex, this sort of thing makes my brain go haywire.
Looking forward to this game though!
Really? I saw that trailer earlier and I had no idea...
EDIT. ah, missed the gigantic text THE YEAR IS 2027...
Anyway, it makes me want to replay Deus Ex again, but I can't find the fucking CD...
Fuck CDs, seriously, fuck them.
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Yeah I have a copy of Edge Magazine here that has an article about it. They were explaining the idea that in the original Deus Ex, people had mechanical enhancements that were easily hidden, the technology was more advanced and such. Their idea with Human Revolution was to explore the days earlier than that, when a lot of people's mechanical enhancements were more visible.
Of course, only playing the game will show whether they nailed the subtext or whether it's just a visual flourish. They seem to have their hearts in the right place though.
Of course, only playing the game will show whether they nailed the subtext or whether it's just a visual flourish. They seem to have their hearts in the right place though.
Bekanor
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Sorry to be OT but have the first games aged well?
I want to check them out because they seem to have kind of a Shadowrun SNES kind of deal going on which I really enjoyed.
I want to check them out because they seem to have kind of a Shadowrun SNES kind of deal going on which I really enjoyed.
Thanks for the info man, I literally know nothing about this new Deus Ex game because I wouldn't have anything to play it on anyway. I'm planning to grab a 360 though so I'm getting more and more interested on this (hopefully it'll be released on 360)
Of course, you couldn't miss the augmentations on types like Anna Navarre and Gunther Hermann, they were way more obviously augmented than the character on that trailer, so I thought that was kind of misleading. In the game, I think they said the Dentons were the first agents that were made looking somewhat like normal people, and that guy looks pretty same except that his augmentations look more mechanical.
Nevertheless, I'm having high hopes for this game as well now. I couldn't stand Invisible War so hopefully this game will represent a sequel the original Deux Ex deserves.
Of course, you couldn't miss the augmentations on types like Anna Navarre and Gunther Hermann, they were way more obviously augmented than the character on that trailer, so I thought that was kind of misleading. In the game, I think they said the Dentons were the first agents that were made looking somewhat like normal people, and that guy looks pretty same except that his augmentations look more mechanical.
Nevertheless, I'm having high hopes for this game as well now. I couldn't stand Invisible War so hopefully this game will represent a sequel the original Deux Ex deserves.
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That issue of Edge also has an interview with Warren Spector, mainly concerned with Epic Mickey, but there's a question about his views on the new Deus Ex and he seems to really get the impression that its heart is in the right place, and coming from him, that's all the reassurance I need.
And Nik, visually, Deus Ex looks awfully, awfully dated. There's a HD pack, though, from the same guy who made the Ultra High Graphics config for Crysis. Search it out, it looks pretty good.
Gameplay wise? I wouldn't know, Deus Ex has been on my to-play list for very long time, and between Demon's Souls (and from later on World of Warcraft (again >_<) I doubt it's going to get played any time soon. I'm sure it's still excellent though, I guess it just depends on your ability to immerse yourself in older games with dated graphics and/or gameplay mechanics. You never struck me as the kind of gamer that would have a problem doing so.
And Sopulurn, I'll transcribe the interview/article about Human Revolution shortly. It's quite a good read.
And Nik, visually, Deus Ex looks awfully, awfully dated. There's a HD pack, though, from the same guy who made the Ultra High Graphics config for Crysis. Search it out, it looks pretty good.
Gameplay wise? I wouldn't know, Deus Ex has been on my to-play list for very long time, and between Demon's Souls (and from later on
World of Warcraft (again >_<) I doubt it's going to get played any time soon. I'm sure it's still excellent though, I guess it just depends on your ability to immerse yourself in older games with dated graphics and/or gameplay mechanics. You never struck me as the kind of gamer that would have a problem doing so.And Sopulurn, I'll transcribe the interview/article about Human Revolution shortly. It's quite a good read.
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This is one of very few games in the last few years that I have been absolutely INSANELY excited for. I cannot fucking wait for this. The story looks incredible, the gameplay looks great, the character design and general design looks amazing.
Bekanor
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That issue of Edge also has an interview with Warren Spector, mainly concerned with Epic Mickey, but there's a question about his views on the new Deus Ex and he seems to really get the impression that its heart is in the right place, and coming from him, that's all the reassurance I need.
And Nik, visually, Deus Ex looks awfully, awfully dated. There's a HD pack, though, from the same guy who made the Ultra High Graphics config for Crysis. Search it out, it looks pretty good.
Gameplay wise? I wouldn't know, Deus Ex has been on my to-play list for very long time, and between Demon's Souls (and from later on
Nah man I'm not, just wondering how it stacks up over time, being that I've never played it myself I would hate for it to be one of those cases where if you weren't in on the ground floor, so to speak, you can't really get into it later on.
I'll just get it.
Daemoniac
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Graphically it's pretty bad, but gameplay wise it's still a really entertaining and involved game to play.
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Cyberpunk's not dead
We talk transhumanism and development tribulations with the Deus Ex team leaders at Eidos Montreal.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution looks back to the series' roots, both in terms of its developoment philosophy and, more literally, by setting it a quarter of a century before the events of the first game begin. We grab producer David Anfossi, game director Jean-Francois Dugas and art director Jonathan Jacques-Belletete for a chat about Eidos Montreal's ambitious prequel to the genre-blending post-millennial-paranoia masterpiece.
"What's the biggest single challenge you've faced during development so far?"
David Anfossi: It was the time I saw these two guys trying to build their desk when we got our temporary offices. We chose to have those desks you build yourself so you can connect them to form some sort of common working space. Two hours after the desks were assembled, they realised they had some of the parts upside down.
Jean-Francois Dugas: Yeah, we wondered why the desks weren't comfortable.
DA: I was looking at them going: "Four years! I only have four years to make the game with these guys!" But seriously, the hardest work we did during the first two years was to complete a vertical slice, when you take a small sliver of the game and push it to the level of quality that would be representative of the final version. That was kind of a marathon, to be honest.
JFD: It worked in the end because we were motivated. Too often in the course of making a slice, people give up on elements that don't come together on the first go. But we kept trying different approaches to achieve what we wanted, rather than scrapping the initial vision. We just needed to find ways to get there. We were also very well supported by the management.
Jonathan Jacques-Belletete: Yeah, we managed to achieve things we certainly could not have done at Ubisoft.
DA: We're very transparent in what we say and do in our studio. We wanted to get back to a workplace where you'd like coming into work every day.
JFD: I don't expect this game to be perfect, but you will feel a soul in it.
"Presumably there'll be sequels to this prequel. Does that mean that at some point you're going to end up remaking the first game?"
JFD: It's natural to come to the idea of a remake, but our game takes place in 2027 - that's like 25 years before the first game. So it leaves us enough room to build a new series.
JBB: If you look at the history depicted in in the franchise, you realise there are many great moments that have yet to be exploited. Reading Deus Ex's in-game writing, you find a huge amount of background. When you get into the 2030s, you could make many games exploiting all the events happening in that period. You have the secession of states, a huge earthquake, a massive financial crash, Mexico regaining control over the southern states of the US. There's so much material to exploit. This doesn't mean we are going to use these elements, but I just want to point out that there's no problem building a new series inside the franchise without touching those two existing games.
"You chose to revisit the fiction's past, with its rudimentary tech. Did you feel the series had already taken future tech as far as it could go?"
JFD: The choice was motivated by everal things. But we noticed that the 2020s saw an explosion of human enhancement through mechanical or nanotech means, and we found it interesting to draw a contrast between people who could afford nanotech enhancements - that are invisible - compared to mechanical ones, that were very visible. The theme of transhumanism was very appealing indeed.
JBB: The tech was already too advanced in the first Deus Ex. Of course, people would obviously go for an enhancement that wouldn't affect their appearance as human beings. But as a gaming experience, we thought a human with mechanical parts would have a more powerful aesthetic impact. So an early period was a better choice; as art director, this gave me a lot more possibilities.
JFD: Making the enhancement visual with mechanical means allows us to keep the game's core theme of human enhancements very present throughout the experience. It also gives a sense of tragedy as people are losing their humanity. We've integrated the things you see in current wars with generations of veterans coming home with prosthetic limbs. These aren't enhancements as such, but visually our game echoes these images.
"Why do you think cyberpunk settings have fallen out of favour in gaming?"
DA: It's not only videogames - there's not so much interest in the theme in movies or anything else anymore.
JBB: William Gibson has released his third book, but even in his writing you don't find as much cyverpunk as you used to. You could say that Metal Gear Solid is one of the few cyberpunk games to be made lately - and even that's a real stretch. I think many things that were prophesied in thecyberpunk fiction of the '80s have materialised today. OK, so we might not be close to Blade Runner - there are no flying cars - but in the way that the new replaces the old and the cosmopolitan society are here today. The web and the network of Ghost in The Shell are here. At the end of the '80s, Mamoru Oshii predicted the prime importance of the network in our society and it is so. Robotic tech may not be as advanced as it is in a lot of cyberpunk, but in other respects, its themes are looking old today. That's why we went for the Renaissance touch to give the game a new style, we could reproduce Blade Runner easily with today's HD platforms, but it would feel like deja vu by now.
Here's that interview, as promised! Enjoy
We talk transhumanism and development tribulations with the Deus Ex team leaders at Eidos Montreal.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution looks back to the series' roots, both in terms of its developoment philosophy and, more literally, by setting it a quarter of a century before the events of the first game begin. We grab producer David Anfossi, game director Jean-Francois Dugas and art director Jonathan Jacques-Belletete for a chat about Eidos Montreal's ambitious prequel to the genre-blending post-millennial-paranoia masterpiece.
"What's the biggest single challenge you've faced during development so far?"
David Anfossi: It was the time I saw these two guys trying to build their desk when we got our temporary offices. We chose to have those desks you build yourself so you can connect them to form some sort of common working space. Two hours after the desks were assembled, they realised they had some of the parts upside down.
Jean-Francois Dugas: Yeah, we wondered why the desks weren't comfortable.
DA: I was looking at them going: "Four years! I only have four years to make the game with these guys!" But seriously, the hardest work we did during the first two years was to complete a vertical slice, when you take a small sliver of the game and push it to the level of quality that would be representative of the final version. That was kind of a marathon, to be honest.
JFD: It worked in the end because we were motivated. Too often in the course of making a slice, people give up on elements that don't come together on the first go. But we kept trying different approaches to achieve what we wanted, rather than scrapping the initial vision. We just needed to find ways to get there. We were also very well supported by the management.
Jonathan Jacques-Belletete: Yeah, we managed to achieve things we certainly could not have done at Ubisoft.
DA: We're very transparent in what we say and do in our studio. We wanted to get back to a workplace where you'd like coming into work every day.
JFD: I don't expect this game to be perfect, but you will feel a soul in it.
"Presumably there'll be sequels to this prequel. Does that mean that at some point you're going to end up remaking the first game?"
JFD: It's natural to come to the idea of a remake, but our game takes place in 2027 - that's like 25 years before the first game. So it leaves us enough room to build a new series.
JBB: If you look at the history depicted in in the franchise, you realise there are many great moments that have yet to be exploited. Reading Deus Ex's in-game writing, you find a huge amount of background. When you get into the 2030s, you could make many games exploiting all the events happening in that period. You have the secession of states, a huge earthquake, a massive financial crash, Mexico regaining control over the southern states of the US. There's so much material to exploit. This doesn't mean we are going to use these elements, but I just want to point out that there's no problem building a new series inside the franchise without touching those two existing games.
"You chose to revisit the fiction's past, with its rudimentary tech. Did you feel the series had already taken future tech as far as it could go?"
JFD: The choice was motivated by everal things. But we noticed that the 2020s saw an explosion of human enhancement through mechanical or nanotech means, and we found it interesting to draw a contrast between people who could afford nanotech enhancements - that are invisible - compared to mechanical ones, that were very visible. The theme of transhumanism was very appealing indeed.
JBB: The tech was already too advanced in the first Deus Ex. Of course, people would obviously go for an enhancement that wouldn't affect their appearance as human beings. But as a gaming experience, we thought a human with mechanical parts would have a more powerful aesthetic impact. So an early period was a better choice; as art director, this gave me a lot more possibilities.
JFD: Making the enhancement visual with mechanical means allows us to keep the game's core theme of human enhancements very present throughout the experience. It also gives a sense of tragedy as people are losing their humanity. We've integrated the things you see in current wars with generations of veterans coming home with prosthetic limbs. These aren't enhancements as such, but visually our game echoes these images.
"Why do you think cyberpunk settings have fallen out of favour in gaming?"
DA: It's not only videogames - there's not so much interest in the theme in movies or anything else anymore.
JBB: William Gibson has released his third book, but even in his writing you don't find as much cyverpunk as you used to. You could say that Metal Gear Solid is one of the few cyberpunk games to be made lately - and even that's a real stretch. I think many things that were prophesied in thecyberpunk fiction of the '80s have materialised today. OK, so we might not be close to Blade Runner - there are no flying cars - but in the way that the new replaces the old and the cosmopolitan society are here today. The web and the network of Ghost in The Shell are here. At the end of the '80s, Mamoru Oshii predicted the prime importance of the network in our society and it is so. Robotic tech may not be as advanced as it is in a lot of cyberpunk, but in other respects, its themes are looking old today. That's why we went for the Renaissance touch to give the game a new style, we could reproduce Blade Runner easily with today's HD platforms, but it would feel like deja vu by now.
Here's that interview, as promised! Enjoy
Bekanor
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BBQ!!!
This game is going to awesome.
On the downside though, my band is going to get a lot shit due to our name. Hell we even have songs called H+.
On the downside though, my band is going to get a lot shit due to our name. Hell we even have songs called H+.
Bekanor
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Don't sweat it man, people would probably give me shit for wanting to get Samus Aran in a bikini (but with gun arm of course) tattooed on my arm.
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Eh, I got a month or so to kill, waiting for some shit to happen. By the time I've played for a month I'll be bored again.
Here's that interview, as promised! Enjoy
Thanks Gareth! A great read indeed.
They're right about there being shitloads of background story to use. Can't wait to see which parts of it they're going to use in the game.
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Did anyone see the gameplay demonstration on youtube by the way? The sound was fucking awful, infact the picture wasn't much up to snuff either but the game looks kick ass. Reminds me quite a bit of Rainbow Six Vegas, actually. Really well done combination of 1st and 3rd person.
