Devin Townsend's set up
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Cat5Messiah
Violator of Sheep
I mean the visual aspect of the cover. It's semen and blood between two pieces of glass.
Brooks
Eyes Wide Open
From the same guy that did PissChrist. What. A. Badass.
And I'm sick of people saying that only the early albums are good. Fuck that! The early albums suck!
UNTIL IT SLEEPS!
And I'm sick of people saying that only the early albums are good. Fuck that! The early albums suck!
UNTIL IT SLEEPS!
Dead Winter
STAHP
In my opinion, unless you're doing really weird, off-the-wall chord phrasings and shapes and stuff like in jazz or extremes like Nile, using drop tunings is just laziness or lack of ability.
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Viking Bastard
But how can you think that, mang? It's really not much harder to play power chords with two/three fingers, and anyone can do a
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chord. I'm much more comfortable writing in a drop tuning, anything I do in a standard tends to be riffy and suck. Not that my other stuff doesn't. Anyway, I have to respectfully disagree with that, I just can't see how ability can be made into an argument here.
7
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chord. I'm much more comfortable writing in a drop tuning, anything I do in a standard tends to be riffy and suck. Not that my other stuff doesn't. Anyway, I have to respectfully disagree with that, I just can't see how ability can be made into an argument here.
Why pick one tuning over another? Are violinists, who tune four strings in fifths, lazy or lacking in ability? Are you going to fuck with Robert Fripp's NST? Yeah, Madonna can fail at playing Pantera in drop tuning, but just because dumbasses use drop tuning doesn't mean drop tuning is for dumbasses.
Jeff
You shouldn't have to spend that much. Soldering takes fifteen seconds, and you can get Mogami cable for less than fifty cents a foot and Neutrik plugs for two or three bucks each... if you want to make money, sell cables for much more than they're worth, endorse an artist, and let wannabe tone snobs throw money at you.
Jeff
Jeff
Dead Winter
STAHP
And where did I say drop tuning is for dumbasses? All I said was that if you're just an average guitar player playing rhythm and doing nothing special, drop tuning is just for laziness.
Before you get all your panties in a bunch, would you consider Robert Fripp a guitarist who does "nothing special"? I certainly hope not. Read my post before you shoot spears at me.
As for violinists, you'll find that many violinists are overflowing with ability but completely dry on imagination. Especially here.
Dead Winter
STAHP
Nope, it's about dynamics.
It's the same thing with classical pieces, you don't put violins to play the huge and mean sounding parts, it's the instruments with the ability to go low like chellos etc. Metal is usually aboout sounding huge, so why not take advantage of the lower tunings?
It has nothing to do with lack of ability! Should Beethoven have used violins to come up with the massive sounding parts, no, because the high to mid pitched instruments don't have that tonality. I wouldn't call classical composers lazy just because they are not trying to come up with the mean and big sounding parts with violins and flutes.
It's just how the human ear/mind reacts to different frequencies. If I play a riff on a standard tuned guitar and then play the same thing on a guitar tuned to B, the one tuned on B will sound heavier, because of the way the human ear reacts to it.
Yes, low tunings etc. will lose their impact if it is used too much though, but they are a powerfull tool in songwriting. That's why I use a 7-string guitar. For me, it's all about dynamics. If there is a part that I want to emphasise, I can play it on the 7th string and it will have a much stronger impact, than if I had played it on the E string.
Or were you referring to drop tunings as in tuning the guitar in fifths etc.?
I didn't edit my post.
I see an absence of "if you're an average guitar player playing rhythm and doing nothing special"... which would have completely changed my response.
Jeff
Dead Winter said:
I see an absence of "if you're an average guitar player playing rhythm and doing nothing special"... which would have completely changed my response.
Jeff
Dead Winter
STAHP
OK. Now that we're being guitar pricks (cuz you know we are)...
IN MY OPINION, unless you're doing music that requires your fingers to be in "non-conventional" for lack of a better word phrasings, dynamics, and structures, dropped-X tuning just for the chunk factor is cheating a little. IN MY OPINION. Once again, IN MY OPINION.
If you use drop tunings, it doesn't automatically mean you're a bad guitar player. It doesn't mean you have no style or ability. I mean, open tunings are used for all kinds of styles and they are phenomenal players. Jazz players use drop tunings because they have a particular dynamic with their playing. The point I'm getting at is I see many average metal bands playing chunka chunka chunka type riffs all in drop tunings, when it would be no different in normal tuning. They tend to do it out of laziness IN MY OPINION.
Fuck, my guitarist in one of my bands plays drop Db because the chord structures enable him to do more with the guitar like that than with normal tunings. That's all I'm saying.
Tomir, yes, I was talking about dropped tunings and not tuning down. In my band, we play in C and B! I am DEFINITELY on board with exploring alternate tunings.
Another thing, I called many violinists here one-dimensional and devoid of much imagination because, well, THEY ARE. Italian classical violin players tend to be extremely rigid and boring; perfect, yes, but ask them to play something NOT classical and they don't even know how to hold the bow. For them, Vivaldi and Pagannini are the end of the world.
Then of course, it goes without saying dropped tunings in a cover band are almost a must, unless you wanna carry around five different guitars and change them every song. I'm sure it's nice just to turn the sixth string down and get on with the show.
IN MY OPINION, unless you're doing music that requires your fingers to be in "non-conventional" for lack of a better word phrasings, dynamics, and structures, dropped-X tuning just for the chunk factor is cheating a little. IN MY OPINION. Once again, IN MY OPINION.
If you use drop tunings, it doesn't automatically mean you're a bad guitar player. It doesn't mean you have no style or ability. I mean, open tunings are used for all kinds of styles and they are phenomenal players. Jazz players use drop tunings because they have a particular dynamic with their playing. The point I'm getting at is I see many average metal bands playing chunka chunka chunka type riffs all in drop tunings, when it would be no different in normal tuning. They tend to do it out of laziness IN MY OPINION.
Fuck, my guitarist in one of my bands plays drop Db because the chord structures enable him to do more with the guitar like that than with normal tunings. That's all I'm saying.
Tomir, yes, I was talking about dropped tunings and not tuning down. In my band, we play in C and B! I am DEFINITELY on board with exploring alternate tunings.
Another thing, I called many violinists here one-dimensional and devoid of much imagination because, well, THEY ARE. Italian classical violin players tend to be extremely rigid and boring; perfect, yes, but ask them to play something NOT classical and they don't even know how to hold the bow. For them, Vivaldi and Pagannini are the end of the world.
Then of course, it goes without saying dropped tunings in a cover band are almost a must, unless you wanna carry around five different guitars and change them every song. I'm sure it's nice just to turn the sixth string down and get on with the show.
You'd be right there, but you left out a key phrase and an explanation as to why standard tuning should be preferred. Maybe the song doesn't have to be about the guitar? Maybe there's really no benefit to having to use two fingers to a chord instead of one? I just don't see why 'everyone uses this because they're too lazy to try something new' has to mean 'using that for that reason means you're lazy'... why isn't it lazy to use standard tuning, where anyone with two fingers and a decent memory can have a whole pentatonic scale and the endless blues wankery possible with it? Should we complicate things further by mandating thirds tuning? Isn't it lazier to never think about another possibility because the chord books that make all actual comprehension of theory unnecessary are written for EADGBE?
Nothing heated or hostile here, I just think 'standard' is a bullshit line that only holds people back.
Jeff
Nothing heated or hostile here, I just think 'standard' is a bullshit line that only holds people back.
Jeff
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Viking Bastard
That and...are there people out there so lazy they drop tune just to play one finger power chords and two finger prog chords? If so, those are some VERY lazy motherfuckers!
Dead Winter
STAHP
It's always great to have an open mind about music and be non-conventional, I'll agree. And the wankery...blech.
This place is full of wankery...great, GREAT guitar players who set the fretboard afire, yet can't write a decent song. Ok, if you're Steve Vai, you can tune however you want. If you're a young upstart, I would recommend standard tuning because it will create more dexterity in your fret hand. If one finger is all you use, you're neglecting the other four (waits for the perv comments). But then again, who am I? Absolutely no one. I'm not even that great of a guitar player.
This place is full of wankery...great, GREAT guitar players who set the fretboard afire, yet can't write a decent song. Ok, if you're Steve Vai, you can tune however you want. If you're a young upstart, I would recommend standard tuning because it will create more dexterity in your fret hand. If one finger is all you use, you're neglecting the other four (waits for the perv comments). But then again, who am I? Absolutely no one. I'm not even that great of a guitar player.
Dead Winter
STAHP
YES my friend. You would be surprised. It was THOSE individuals I was talking about.
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Viking Bastard
But you're an excellent songwriter thats all that matters. Er, assuming you've done some of the writing for Skylab.
Dead Winter
STAHP
Nope. All the credit goes to Emanuele on that one. The second album is in the writing process and we'll see if my input will be good or bad. I'm more of a feeling kind of person and he is very rigid and precise. He has an idea in his head and plays it and I collaborate with him and try and make it better. The good thing is that we both hear the same sounds in our head and know where the songs need to go. He's really good with synths though...for a drummer he has a great grasp of melody.
I didn't even know Emanuele until a year ago and the album was already written by that time. I helped here and there with small things but I can't take any credit for this album.
I didn't even know Emanuele until a year ago and the album was already written by that time. I helped here and there with small things but I can't take any credit for this album.
