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[Crzy_Aus]

Another thing, I called many violinists here one-dimensional and devoid of much imagination because, well, THEY ARE. Italian classical violin players tend to be extremely rigid and boring; perfect, yes, but ask them to play something NOT classical and they don't even know how to hold the bow. For them, Vivaldi and Pagannini are the end of the world.

Ok. I'd say I was pissed if I didn't realize that this was written by someone who has no idea WTF he's talking about. Just by the fact that you grouped Vivaldi and Paganini together >.<

I mean fine, it's true that it is not easy to play in any style of music without prior experience. But that goes for everyone; pick your favourite star who's never done classical music, tell him to play a classic Paganini piece for guitar, and he'll most likely poop his pants. Or do a horrible job regardless.

On the other hand, the whole "devoid of imagination" argument is plain ridiculous, because playing, say, a Mozart concerto probably requires more imagination than writing a metal album. Guess why it takes years to study classical music? It's because you need to learn to understand music and interpret it on your own. Anyone can nail the f*cking notes after enough practice time.

However, if it was all directed at just Italian violinists and nobody else, I wouldn't have much problem, just because I fail to come up with a name of a really good one aside from the aforementioned Paganini.

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On Topic: I don't know the exact history of it, but I would speculate that the violin just like all the other instruments of the same type (viola/cello/bass) are tuned in fifths because the notes are played by ear, and a fifth is the easiest interval to be precisely "clean" on. Another one is octave, but tuning in octaves would kind of defeat the purpose >___<

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

Ok. I'd say I was pissed if I didn't realize that this was written by someone who has no idea WTF he's talking about. Just by the fact that you grouped Vivaldi and Paganini together >.<

I mean fine, it's true that it is not easy to play in any style of music without prior experience. But that goes for everyone; pick your favourite star who's never done classical music, tell him to play a classic Paganini piece for guitar, and he'll most likely poop his pants. Or do a horrible job regardless.

On the other hand, the whole "devoid of imagination" argument is plain ridiculous, because playing, say, a Mozart concerto probably requires more imagination than writing a metal album. Guess why it takes years to study classical music? It's because you need to learn to understand music and interpret it on your own. Anyone can nail the f*cking notes after enough practice time.

However, if it was all directed at just Italian violinists and nobody else, I wouldn't have much problem, just because I fail to come up with a name of a really good one aside from the aforementioned Paganini.

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On Topic: I don't know the exact history of it, but I would speculate that the violin just like all the other instruments of the same type (viola/cello/bass) are tuned in fifths because the notes are played by ear, and a fifth is the easiest interval to be precisely "clean" on. Another one is octave, but tuning in octaves would kind of defeat the purpose >___<

You're absolutely wrong!!!!!

 

[Swabs]

He also seems to be a weeaboo, never trust a weeaboo.

 

[Shpongled]

Anybody that thinks you can't be creative, inventive, or original with drop tunings is out of their fucking mind.

The ONLY time I'll ever flat out brag about my band is when this argument comes up because I believe we're proof positive that drop tuning has substantial benefits that standard tuning does not allow.

www.myspace.com/weaponwithin

edit: Shit I just remembered 2 of the tunes on that page are in standard 7 string tuning haha. Can you figure out which ones are which?

 

[Anvil]

He said weeaboo!

 

[Chromatose]

WEEABOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Captain Beard]

There goes our productivity.

 

[Crzy_Aus]

You're absolutely wrong!!!!!

Care to point exactly where? If you dare to support the point that classsical musicians have no imagination. you're out of your goddamn mind.

He also seems to be a weeaboo, never trust a weeaboo.

Your point?

 

[Swabs]

Your point?

He also seems to be a weeaboo, never trust a weeaboo.

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[Det Som Engang Var]

Actual video of Crzy_Aus.

 

[TomiR]

Care to point exactly where? If you dare to support the point that classsical musicians have no imagination. you're out of your goddamn mind.



Your point?

Well, I don't necessarily agree with classical musicians having no imagination, but I understand what he meant by saying that.

Imagination in music, the way I see it, is creating something yourself, coming up with ideas that might be far from what you are used to.

Classical musicians often/usually follow the "theoretic way of playing", which does not require imagination, it requires you to follow the notes as perfectly as possible. It's like reading instructions on what you should do.

So to some degree, I agree on the subject, but not entirely. I love classical like Vivaldi, Albinoni etc.

 

[derek]

Well, they did compose the music before playing it...

 

[Crzy_Aus]

Well, I don't necessarily agree with classical musicians having no imagination, but I understand what he meant by saying that.

Imagination in music, the way I see it, is creating something yourself, coming up with ideas that might be far from what you are used to.

Classical musicians often/usually follow the "theoretic way of playing", which does not require imagination, it requires you to follow the notes as perfectly as possible. It's like reading instructions on what you should do.

So to some degree, I agree on the subject, but not entirely. I love classical like Vivaldi, Albinoni etc.

I see your point, which is once again why I insist that people who say this misunderstand classical music. If you don't have a good/original/imaginative interpretation of a classical piece, it usually does not qualify as "good playing". Playing the right notes is just the tip of the iceberg, a prereqisite rather than a goal.

Although, true enough, there are some conventions and traditions in classical music that tend to be very sturdy... BUT, if you're really good enough, you'll be allowed to break them.

EDIT: I re-read your post and realized I missed a couple of things. I think what you're getting at is the fact that there has been more of a line between being a musician and being a composer for classical music. Which is true, although most composers are actually musicians but don't play as much, and many musicians compose their own pieces. Historically though, most famous instrumental music was written by the people who performed it. I think the point here is that classical music requires a different kind of approach, although it's essentially the same idea.

He also seems to be a weeaboo, never trust a weeaboo.

I don't see how I qualify as one, or where you got that. Or maybe you don't know what the word means? I wonder...

 

[Dead Winter]

Ok. I'd say I was pissed if I didn't realize that this was written by someone who has no idea WTF he's talking about. Just by the fact that you grouped Vivaldi and Paganini together >.<

I mean fine, it's true that it is not easy to play in any style of music without prior experience. But that goes for everyone; pick your favourite star who's never done classical music, tell him to play a classic Paganini piece for guitar, and he'll most likely poop his pants. Or do a horrible job regardless.

On the other hand, the whole "devoid of imagination" argument is plain ridiculous, because playing, say, a Mozart concerto probably requires more imagination than writing a metal album. Guess why it takes years to study classical music? It's because you need to learn to understand music and interpret it on your own. Anyone can nail the f*cking notes after enough practice time.

However, if it was all directed at just Italian violinists and nobody else, I wouldn't have much problem, just because I fail to come up with a name of a really good one aside from the aforementioned Paganini.



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On Topic: I don't know the exact history of it, but I would speculate that the violin just like all the other instruments of the same type (viola/cello/bass) are tuned in fifths because the notes are played by ear, and a fifth is the easiest interval to be precisely "clean" on. Another one is octave, but tuning in octaves would kind of defeat the purpose >___<

Ok so you said all of that just to agree with me? The Italian conservatories stopped teaching anything after the early 1900s. They are perfect in their playing and produce many outstanding musicians. However, as I said, they are very one-dimensionally minded and devoid of very much feeling in their playing. I liken it to Malmsteen on guitar; very talented but very cold at the same time. Again, I'm only speaking of the Italian conservatories.

It's not just violinists, either; many of my friends quit the conservatory because they were teaching only scales and solos for 5 years, and they realized that they couldn't write a song.

Pagannini is difficult to play mainly because he had giantism; his Caprice is almost impossible to play because the average violinist cannot play in 5th position the notes he was playing.

Please read all my post before making up the rest. I grouped Vivaldi and Pagannini together because they are Italian and here, they focus on those two very much because their playing is very involved. I never said classical musicians are "devoid of imagination", only Italians, and I didn't even say all of them, just many. This is a stereotypical example of someone reading something and then skimming the rest. You can't do that shit here, man...you'll get your ass handed to you in this forum.

 

[Dead Winter]

And remember I said ITALIAN classical musicians tend to lack much imagination. Russian and Slavic, on the other hand, blow them away in all areas. Don't wanna start a flame war over a misunderstanding.

 

[Crzy_Aus]

And remember I said ITALIAN classical musicians tend to lack much imagination. Russian and Slavic, on the other hand, blow them away in all areas. Don't wanna start a flame war over a misunderstanding.

Well, it wasn't self-obvious from that post whether you were referring to Italian musicians in particular or were giving a general image; I don't have enough time to read the whole thread >.<

As for conservatories, you don't really enter one in an instrment department to learn how to compose; it's kind of same thing as taking a class on poetry and expect that to teach you how to write.

Paganini is a special case, he was a musical genius even besides his having huge hands...

I guess I just misread most of your post then... Too bad, I almost felt like having a looong debate with someone. Ohwell. And thanks for praising the Slavic school ^____^

 

[Dead Winter]

Well, it wasn't self-obvious from that post whether you were referring to Italian musicians in particular or were giving a general image; I don't have enough time to read the whole thread >.<

As for conservatories, you don't really enter one in an instrment department to learn how to compose; it's kind of same thing as taking a class on poetry and expect that to teach you how to write.

Paganini is a special case, he was a musical genius even besides his having huge hands...

I guess I just misread most of your post then... Too bad, I almost felt like having a looong debate with someone. Ohwell. And thanks for praising the Slavic school ^____^

I think the other posters will beg you to refrain from debating with me; I can be somewhat long-winded. Besides, there's nothing to debate now that we both agree on the same thing.

 

[Crzy_Aus]

I think the other posters will beg you to refrain from debating with me; I can be somewhat long-winded. Besides, there's nothing to debate now that we both agree on the same thing.

True, true :zombie:

 

[Chromatose]

Don't let us stop you.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

Which song is the second thing he plays (right after he plugs in) from?