Darkthrone, Taake, Bathory, Burzum etc. were never known for the "noisyness" of their music, but rather atmoshpere. I think if you actually listened to the aforementioned bands you would notice that the music is much closer to Stormblast in style, and considerably less chaotic than PME.
You assume that because i don't appreciate true blackmetal, that i haven't heard it. That is highly incorrect, and amusing at best. A large number of Black Metal fans alienate Dimmu Borgir, in particular Puritanical, as the black sheep of black metal... When i fact, i personally wouldn't consider them black metal, and if half of these closed-minded fools would consider them something OTHER than BM, or just listen to them for what they are, then i beleive that they might really dig the band, as I do.
Personally, i wouldn't consider celtic frost black metal, even though they influenced most of today's black bands. It's pretty thrashy stuff, so i guess you could say it's "Dark Thrash" or something. And just so you know, i own all of their stuff from Morbid Tales up to Pandemonium (i did have Cold Lake at one point, but in all honesty i really didn't like the album. I don't even think i need to mention Seduce me tonight and Dance sleazy do I
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And about Bathory, i can't understand how anyone can even possibly CONSIDER attempting to listen to anything pre-"Blood Fire Death", and even then I cringe a fair bit. The funny thing is is that these recordings are considered "Staple BM", and all i can see in it is primitive teenage noise... Anything of theirs recorded in the eighties, and even into the nineties, sounds like it is recorded in a bucket full of water, which is inside a well, which is housed inside a rusty shed, which was being rained on at the point of recording (
). THAT is where i draw the noise comparison from. That is also where i draw the chaotic comparison for, as you really can't hear what the fuck they are doing, i wasn't meaning in terms of technicality, because lets' face it, bathory have never been the most complex of bands at any time during their career.
Puritanical isn't chaotic at all, and i would greatly appreciate it if you would explain to me how you see it is as chaotic? There is only ONE point throughout the whole album where there is an odd number of bars, and even then it flows perfectly well. I am a big fan of technical and "Chaotic" stuff like Cynic, Alarum, Atheist ect, and i fail to see how you can draw a comparison for "Chaotic" from Puritanical?
"not -nearly- noisy enough, and too damn talented to fit under the ever so annoying Black Metal umbrella."
Noisy? Isn't that relative to the volume the music is played at? The "oomph" value of the music with the trigerred drums is much higher than most of the "cult" black metal you seem to be referring to
No, noise is not relative to the volume the music is played at, that is a highly uninformed statement to make. In particular early bathory, there is alot of "fuzz", from a bad production (It seems "Cool" in cult blackmetal to make it painful to listen to, in particular cutting low end, and boosting high end, resulting in alot of noise, especially from the guitars).
Reviewers should express their own opinions, but some amount of objectivity is required. To devote a good part of a paragraph to flame a musical genre you obviously understand nothing about, without any sound reasoning is just silly. Please, give me an example of a black metal fan whining that DB are not "true" enough. I think you'll have a hard time finding one, because they tend to complain about how bad this album is in musical terms. Classifying all black metal fans who dislike Dimmu as some kind of narrow-minded fools is insulting.
It was intended to be insulting, as "Cult" black metal is highly amusing, and the fact that so many people follow it simply because it is "Cult" to listen to these bands, is an insult in itself.
I didn't say "All Black Metal Fans who dislike dimmu are narrow-minded-fools" at any point during my arguament. What i said is that people who listen to bands simply because they are "Black Metal", the "Cult" fans who follow BM like groupies, are generally the ones who dislike this album, as it isn't black metal at all, and yet they seem to want to say "Ooooh, it isn't black metal" for some reason. I don't hear people saying that about Death, or Morbid Angel.... you know why? Exactly. Because just like Dimmu, they are not Cult BM.
I think you'll have a hard time finding one, because they tend to complain about how bad this album is in musical terms.
That is a funny statement for you to make. How exactly do you mean "Bad this album is in musical terms"... I certainly see alot more musicianship and virtuosity in Dimmu Borgir than I do in Bathory, or Celtic frost...! Do you actually know anything about music at all? Because i studied music theory for two years, and i sure as hell see alot more thought gone into this album in terms of structure and general musicianship as opposed to, hmm... say Satyricon.
, I would argue that Emperor, Bathory, Celtic Frost, Darkthrone, Immortal, Enslaved etc. are far more talented
You can't SERIOUSLY put emperor and bathory in the same category can you? That is just plain rediculous. Promethius, like Puritanical, really isn't blackmetal at all, in fact, i am inclined to say that Prom is albums progressive death metal. Same goes for IX, just a notch down in musicality and production.
Look back up at my previous paragraph about celtic frost and bathory, neither band were particularily good musicians.
Immortal are great musicians, but they cannot write to save their lives, and the production thing comes into it too, everything they've recorded sounds like a backyard recording into a tape-player...
Like i have said SO many times, Dimmu Borgir is NOT black metal, and they do NOT PLAY black metal, and it annoys me that you keep trying to put them up against bands like immortal and bathory. If you would get over yourself and your cult fixation with being "TRUE", then you might actually get to like Dimmu for what they are, and if you haven't worked out what that is yet, read my review again with that in mind. They are NOT black metal, and hence you are just ruining your credibility by saying that they are untalented, especially when you are trying to say that they aren't good at Black Metal like Emperor were, when in fact they aren't even TRYING to play BM.
-Trapped
