Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia...

[TheEmperor]

yeah PEM is a great album! but i also like the older stuff, especially Enthroned Darkness Triumphant and Stormblåst. so for me Dimmu Borgir is a great band.

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

The only stuff i dig of Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is 'Mourning Palace'. That song kicks some serious ass, even shagrath's vocals fit...!

I can't stand the blast-beats tho, it's headache-material...

 

[TheEmperor]

it's strange that you don't like the rest, because the other songs are not something totally different than Mourning Palace! but well that's a matter of taste, i think it's a really great album. i love songs like Spellbound, In Death's Embrace, Entrance, and so on.

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

I might give it another spin... I let you know how i like it.

It was a long time ago that i listened to it, so my tastes might have changed, maybe...!

 

[The Dreamer]

DIMMU BORGIR IS BLACK METAL!!!!!!!

I agree that dimmu and cof should not be compared...Dimmu is much blacker, darker, harder, and just for the record...Shagrath would gut Dani`s mothers, fathers, uncles, brothers, former room-mates cat!!!!!

I`m a fan of black metal, favourite bands are Dimmu, Emperor, Darkthrone, Immortal, Old Man`s Child, Satyricon and many more...plus some minor bands that could be black
metal bands : Children of Bodom, In Flames, Dark Tranquillity

 

[Poison God]

Originally posted by The Dreamer
DIMMU BORGIR IS BLACK METAL!!!!!!!

I agree that dimmu and cof should not be compared...Dimmu is much blacker, darker, harder, and just for the record...Shagrath would gut Dani`s mothers, fathers, uncles, brothers, former room-mates cat!!!!!

I`m a fan of black metal, favourite bands are Dimmu, Emperor, Darkthrone, Immortal, Old Man`s Child, Satyricon and many more...plus some minor bands that could be black
metal bands : Children of Bodom, In Flames, Dark Tranquillity

The new Dimmu cd is only partially black metal imo. There are definitely thrash elements involved on PEM. Even Emperor on their latest disc (Prometheus) rips out some chuggy riffs. The only true black metal outfit out there right now imo is Zyklon. I have heard some samples of World ov Worms and they completely OWN. Samoth's vision brought to reality I guess. I would love to see a drum off between Barker and Trym.

Also, In Flames, Children of Bodom, and DT are not even close to being black metal. They are death/progressive metal imo. THough CoB incorporates organs, the riffs are progressive in nature and the drums never dictate the direction of the music as in most of the dark metal genre.

L8rs,
DavE

 

[ledmag]

Originally posted by Trapped
Honestly, I don't think that Puritanical IS black-metal...

I say this because I CAN'T STAND BLACK-METAL... Yet I love this album.

Uhhh, dude, Isnt the band DRAGONLORD kinda Black Metal?

 

[Poison God]

Originally posted by ledmag



Uhhh, dude, Isnt the band DRAGONLORD kinda Black Metal?

DragonLord is watered down black metal. TestAmenT riffs seem to sneak their way into the music at times and the drumming rarely dominates. A decent first effort though.

DavE

 

[ledmag]

Originally posted by Poison God


DragonLord is watered down black metal. TestAmenT riffs seem to sneak their way into the music at times and the drumming rarely dominates. A decent first effort though.

DavE

I agree on all you said(thats why i said "kinda"), ESPECIALLY the Testament riffs.

WHen I first got that cd, I didnt care much about it, after a few listens, its great (the keyboards are a bit much at times, but hey, its still good stuff.).

 

[The Dreamer]

I know In Flames, DT and CoB isn`t black metal...but that`s what some people call it. I read in a review somewhere (don`t remeber) of the haven album by DT that this truly was swedish blackmetal at it`s best. But what the hell, some people think that any band using "growling" vocals are either death or black...I haven`t put neither of those bands under any particular genre within metal.

About Dimmu Borgir. What I am saying is that Dimmu is a black metal band, and wether PEM includes thrash riffs or clean vocals or is too melodical, it is still the work of a norwegian bm band undergoing musical changes, willing to take their music further and I think that is a very positive thing. But if a person asks me, I`d say that PEM is still a bm oriented record. With satanic nature in the lyrics (though they are not as visual as in for example , Inn i evighetens mørke), growling vocals, fast and furious blast drums, synth (which Mustis handles PERFECTLY), there is lots of things to mention. Now, CoF would be catagorized as bm too...it is a pure bm band, and nobody can tell their not....but seeing that that I`m from Norway myself, I prefer Norwegian Black Metal. I tend to think that CoF`s music is too weak, the true power lies in for example Emperor`s From the Welking at Dusk.

Some guy, sorry I don`t remember name, said that PEM could not be black metal because he liked the album...and he didn`t like bm. This is completely taken out of context, maybe it`s just that you music taste is still undergoing changes...when most ppl first get into metal, they don`t like blackmetal...because it is such a brutal form of metal, most ppl begin with typical powermetal bands or speedmetal (which I catagorize as a sub genre within power) or thrash. When I first got into metal some 8-9 years ago I listened to Metallica, which I very rarely listen to these days. I`ve got a very broad style of music, some of my all time fave bands are: PARADISE LOST, DIMMU BORGIR, NEVERMORE, Old Man`s Child, Emperor, Iced Earth (some of their work), In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, Moonspell, Stratovarius, NIGHTWISH, CoF plus several other bands.

Hail Metal!

 

[MetalManCPA]

My first Dimmu album - and based on other posts, I should just stick with this one. I like it a lot - it really is crazy in-your-face metal!

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

Some guy, sorry I don`t remember name, said that PEM could not be black metal because he liked the album...and he didn`t like bm. This is completely taken out of context, maybe it`s just that you music taste is still undergoing changes...when most ppl first get into metal, they don`t like blackmetal...because it is such a brutal form of metal, most ppl begin with typical powermetal bands or speedmetal (which I catagorize as a sub genre within power) or thrash.

uh... So apparently my musical tastes haven't developed, simply because i don't like OLD dimmu?? Hmmm... I think THAT was taken out of context.

(By the way, i've been into metal for about 12 years... Been playing guitar for about that long too...)

Black metal (most of!) is really weak music, there is nothing new. It is just speed picking on guitar, hammer-drumming, bad vox. It's not because my musical tastes haven't 'Developed', it's because i HAVE musical taste.

COF - Midian is a great album too, but i wouldn't consider that black metal, the music is no heavier than iron maiden.

Being 'INTO' black metal isn't the result of your musical tastes expanding, personally, i think Technical-Death and Prog-Death are more expansions... Don't you??

Just for reference, so there is no mix ups (...like saying my musical tastes haven't developed yet ), i'm into the following bands:

DEATH (Favourite band for sure... Old stuff and new stuff)
MARTYR
MORBID ANGEL
NILE
CYNIC
MESHUGGAH
NEVERMORE
MEGADETH (old)
METALLICA (old)
OPETH
IN FLAMES (old - Colony and Clayman are TERRIBLE)
COF (midian)
DIMMU BORGIR (PEM)
WATCHTOWER
QUO VADIS
SPIRAL ARCHITECT

etc.


...NOW do you say that i don't have a good range in styles, and that my musical tastes haven't developed, and that i'm basically musically IMMATURE?

Or would you Like some more OBSCURE bands with logos that you can't read, and gory names??

 

[The Dreamer]

Ok, so you have been into metal for 12 YEARS!? DAMN, I guess that makes you MY mentor... ? Anyways, I`m not was not trying to brag about it...just mentioned it as part of my point. I did not say that your musical taste is under development or haven`t developed yet, I just CONSIDERED that a possibility. Fine, your not into black metal...that`s not illegal...I`m just saying that I did not like black at first...and let me repeat again, that IIIIIII did not like blackmetal at first. You on the other hand, has much experience on metal, and you DON`T like it though your musical taste is developed. Agree with me now? Anyway, blackmetal is an offspring from death. I guess just lot`s of the bands wanted to do something about death...create something more than just heavy shit music. And for the record, just because a band (CoF) isn`t heavy as hell, doesn`t mean that it isn`t black metal! Just one question, you say the vocals in black sucks or whatever you said, then how the fu** can you enjoy In Flames 'lyrics or Shagrath`s lyrics on PEM? Make up your mind...
And bm has developed, my proof : PEM!
and I`m sorry I haven`t got musical tast...according to you that is, because I like blackmetal

By the way, I`m into lots of metal genres...not only black. My favourite bands of all time is Nevermore and Paradise Lost...that should speak for itself.

Lord of the Rings kicks ass!!!! (I saw it 10 minutes past midnight on the world show)

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

how the fu** can you enjoy In Flames 'lyrics or Shagrath`s lyrics on PEM? Make up your mind...

...You don't have to like the SINGING to enjoy the lyrics...!! The lyrics are a different element to the voice, they are not 'one' thing..! To tell you the truth, I love Dani-Filth's vox on Midian, but i don't consider that black-metal. I consider Darkthrone and Emperor as blackmetal... And they BOTH have terrible vox!

and I`m sorry I haven`t got musical tast...according to you that is, because I like blackmetal

I wasn't saying that, i was actually patronizing you about what you said about musical taste

It's good to see that you can argue well, you're quite the 'discussion-er'

 

[The Dreamer]

Actually, I meant vocals in both of the statements...as you can notice, I wrote: "...you say the vocals in black metal sucks or whatever you said...". Just had to get that clear, because I don`t want ppl to think I consider vox and lyrics the same thing, which would be a very strange thing to think.

One question: How the HELL can you like Dani`s vox on Midian and not like Ihsahn`s vocals in Emperor? Dani`s voice is one of the worst growlers, at least in my opinion. His voice lacks power, it`s more shrieking than growling...but still I actually like it ( sad to say ) just not as much as for example Shagraths vox.

Yeah, your one hell of a discussion-er yourself, prepare to be defeated for probably the first time!

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

I will not be defeated. I LIVE for perseverance...! (thanks chuck...)

Actually Dani Filth is really good on midian, he has so much control, and he is an AWESOME growler on midian. His vox on any of the older albums are terrible, especially on 'dusk and her embrace', now THAT is shrieking, i can't handle it, THAT's what i'm talking about.

Dani has got a really amazing voice on midian, there is so much variation, and let's face it, who else could sing like that...!?

Shagrath's vox are terrible on all their albums, the only song that has bearable vox is MOURNING PALACE, which is a great song... but even the rest of the album is overbearing.

...It's not so much that they are harsh, because i love(d) Chuck Schuldiner's voice, i think he had a really expressive and emotive voice, and he is one of the most harsh vocalists out there... And actually, i don't mind Anders Friden's voice (in flames), he adds to the music, it fits right in...

It's not really the VOICE (after all this arguing!! ha ha) that has turned me away from Black Metal, it is the (general) lack of originality, it's just a speedy guitar-line with blast beats, then maybe a half-time section.

Being a guitarist, i really analyze the music i listen to, no matter WHAT it is, and i can't appreciate any of Dimmu-Borgir's earlier, more symphonic stuff... I listen for extreme-PLAYING of instruments, not just the 'extreme' 'voice of satan'...

 

[neal]

trapped...

first off, i cant believe you said colony and clayman are terrible! sure jester race is better, but EVERY in flames album kills. yeh i comes down to opinion but its interesting you would like some softer things like opeth but not like in flame's 2 newest. either way...to answer what you said a while ago, i think dimmu and CoF are mentioned together a lot because they both started out as pretty much true black metal, but on each album progressed and changed into their quasi-black metal style that we all know and love today. they are also the two biggest (and best) bands still asociated with black metal, and all the darkthrone loving "true black metal" fans call them sell-out posers. so they're musicaly disimilar, yet 'politicaly' very similar. and i agree with you that "true" black metal sucks. its boring and has ludicrisly bad production that they call 'atmosphere'. whatever. also, are you a girl or a guy? it doesnt really matter but for some reason from reading other posts i have it in my head that you're a chick. later.
-neal

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

for some reason from reading other posts i have it in my head that you're a chick

Gee, thanks.

interesting you would like some softer things like opeth but not like in flame's 2 newest

What does me listening to 'softer' things than in flames have to do with it? I listen to THE TEA PARTY as well, and they aren't even metal at all. The 'Goodness' factor of metal doesn't come from how brutal or heavy the music is, it comes from the quality of the music. The reason that i don't like Clayman or Colony is that they are nothing new. In flames stuck to the same 'Formula' (...as soilwork have done with a predator's portrait!!), which is 'Intro, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Solo, Chorus, Outtro...' for every single song...

 

[neal]

ok taht clears up the in flames thing. i thought maybe you didnt like them because it had too much clean singing or clean guitar and slower parts or somthing, which are the main complaints i hear about them. oh yeh, im surprised taht you dont like black metal but you like NILE. you said you didnt like the blast beats an stuff. NILE is pure chaos! i saw them live and i couldnt tell what was going on at all. it was pure fucking chaos on the stage, just noise. just blast beats and all the guys grunting and stuff. i wasnt really impressed heh. but everyone is entitled to listen to what they like. do you like amorphis? new or old, im just curious. i think they're pretty good, i havent heard any of their REALLY old stuff, but i like everything ive heard so far. even if the new one doesnt resemble metal at all hehe.
-neal

 

[RETIREDTrapped]

...There is some really really awesome guitaring in some of Nile's works, i mean, they aren't the kind of band that i'd chuck their cd on and chill out for the afternoon, it's really compex music, and there is some really interesting stuff going on... It isn't all blast beats either...

I don't like most of the blast-beat sections in nile, mainly it's the egyptian and middle eastern sounding sections, go and download 'Beneath eternal oceans of sand'...

There is some 'heavy-metal' riffs too, have a listen to 'Ramses Bringer Of War'

To tell you the truth, i have never heard Amorphis in my life ha ha...