Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing...Most Important Album of the 80s

Jul 21, 2003
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Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing is (if I may indulge in a cliche, just this once) a study in contradictions. It is a complex epic, yet built of reductively simple elements and clocking in at less than 28 minutes in total running time. It is a punk recording whose lasting legacy is innovation in technique. It is not (nor does it pretend to be) a metal album; yet, with the possible exception of Reign in Blood, no album of the 1980s has cast such a long shadow over the subsequent history of metal.

Of course, in the early months of 1982, it is rather unlikely that legacies, much less something as distant as "the future" ever crossed the minds of the boys in Discharge. Indeed, Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing stands defiantly without a future (and not much of a past either). The lyrics - which take the form of subversive mantras, slogans and phrases repeated until the meme takes hold, and then abruptly dropped - are almost entirely in the present tense. Only "The Final Bloodbath" and "The Possibility of Life's Destruction" admit to any possibility of a future, and in both cases, the titles speak for themselves as to what that "future" would look like.

Musically, Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing is violent liberation of the purest sort, overthrowing the conventions of rock music and paving the way for all the extreme music to come. What you won't find here are the pentatonic chord progressions typical of rock-based forms. In the early 70s, Black Sabbath dabbled in chromatic movement, here Discharge go full bore, fragmenting Iommi's most sinister dirges at high velocity, creating the skeletal outlines of the riffing style that would, via Repulsion, Napalm Death and Carcass, come to dominate the grindcore scene, as well as the extreme metal scene by way of Slayer, Master and Kreator. Vocals are reduced to their rhythmic potential, freeing the guitar line from its hitherto supporting role to become the primary carrier of "melody" (such as it exists in such relentlessly deconstructive music).

Structurally, Discharge vaulted beyond rock by transmuting percussion into an ambient pulse beneath the music through the use of the famed "D-beat." The structural framework of most rock music is hammered into place by its drum lines with rhythmic repetition forming the foundation of the verse/chorus format. Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing on the other hand, reaches into the past to find classically rooted structural principles. By reimagining percussion as an undifferentiated ambient accompaniment, Discharge was able to develop its music organically through the repetition and evolution of melodic phrases, creating from the maggot infested corpse of rock a gateway to the esoteric and eternal realms popular music had once left behind.

10/10
 
You spelt Carcass incorrectly, but this is one of my favourite albums, so you're forgiven.
 
Carcassian said:
This album is 10 while LHP is 4...rigggggggggggggggggght

Keep smoking that crack, nigga.

Let's see, Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing was an absolutely revolutionary release that profoundly influenced 6 different genres (hardcore, crust, grindcore, speed/'thrash' metal, death metal and black metal), Left Hand Path was an also-ran death metal album that brought absolutely nothing new to the table. I mean, they seem totally comparable.

Idiot.
 
Planetary Eulogy said:
Let's see, Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing was an absolutely revolutionary release that profoundly influenced 6 different genres (hardcore, crust, grindcore, speed/'thrash' metal, death metal and black metal), Left Hand Path was an also-ran death metal album that brought absolutely nothing new to the table. I mean, they seem totally comparable.

Idiot.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Let's see. Hear nothing... is an album that has had its importance disproportionately hyped by subsequent generations who weren't even born when it was released. Was at an inluence on hardcore inlflected, mostly worthless bands like Napalm Death? Assuredly. Its importance is greatly lauded by those who aren't able to comprehend that more traditional metal albums of the same era were both more accomplished and more relevant to the development of the extreme metal genres.

You criticised LHP or its predicatbility: yet for "Hear nothing", you laud its simplicity. To me, Discharge are mostly an empty can rattling; a distillation of the leftist, soap dodging hardcore body politik, forever tainting the future of metal bands with its empty rhetoric and worthless mono-riff songs.

P.S. Before you call me an idiot, you might take time to generate ideas of your own without endlessly rehashing the opinions of mainstream critics in amusingly hyperbolic terms.

Discharge were, remain and probably will continue to be a favourite of the print media critics, a group of individuals so bored and embaressed by the sub-culture of metal that they seek to attack and dilute it at every step.
 
Let's see. Hear nothing... is an album that has had its importance disproportionately hyped by subsequent generations who weren't even born when it was released.

"Disproportionately hyped?" Let's examine that, shall we?

Discharge and Discharge alone developed the riffing technique that dominates every genre of extreme music TO THIS DAY. Others have greatly expanded upon it, but the basic technique began with Discharge. None of the "more traditional" metal acts of the day managed to do so.

Discharge and Discharge alone broke from the rock 'n roll instrumental template to make the guitar line the primary melodic element in the music, rather than a rhythmic accompaniment for vocal melodies. None of the "more traditional" metal acts of the day managed to do so.

Discharge and Discharge alone broke from the blues/rock ghetto to make percussion into an ambient element and return to classical structural principles by defining songs through the linear development of melodic phrases rather than repetition of rhythmic fragments. None of the "more traditional" metal acts of the day managed to do so.

They were, additionally, the first to break completely from the use of pentatonic progressions and among the first to bring a deconstructive voice into "popular" music.

All of these innovations were foundational to all subsequent extreme music, to dismiss the depth and breadth of that influence because they were popular with "mainstream" critics is frankly idiotic. It's almost impossible to imagine speed, death and black metal existing in anything like a recognizable form without the advances introduced by Discharge. Maybe someone else would have done it. It was an intuitively obvious step. The point is, no one else took those steps and Discharge did.

Its importance is greatly lauded by those who aren't able to comprehend that more traditional metal albums of the same era were both more accomplished and more relevant to the development of the extreme metal genres.

How so? The metal albums of the "same era" were all still firmly rooted in the metal and prog rock of the 1970s. The metal bands that really were influential on the future development of extreme metal - Slayer, Possessed, Master, Sepultura, Sodom, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost, Tormentor/Kreator etc. all date to a later era. They were disciples of Discharge, not contemporaries.

Even Venom (obviously contemporaries) displayed substantial influence from Discharge (with whom they frequently shared concert bills), though with considerably less artistic success. Some of Discharge's later work itself shows the influence of Venom (Venom clearly got the better end of that exchange).

You criticised LHP or its predicatbility: yet for "Hear nothing", you laud its simplicity.

Do you have some sort of problem with the English language that makes it impossible for you to understand the obvious differences between "predictability" and "simplicity"?

Discharge were, remain and probably will continue to be a favourite of the print media critics, a group of individuals so bored and embaressed by the sub-culture of metal that they seek to attack and dilute it at every step.

Critics love Beethoven and Slayer too, that doesn't detract from the value and importance of those artists.
 
Falco said:
Discharge and Discharge alone broke from the blues/rock ghetto to make percussion into an ambient element and return to classical structural principles by defining songs through the linear development of melodic phrases rather than repetition of rhythmic fragments. None of the "more traditional" metal acts of the day managed to do so.

No, actually they just played fucking punk. Get over it...

Maybe they were supremely influential, but I doubt any of the members of the band thought they were doing any of those things or even attempted to utiliize "linear development of melodic phrases rather than repetition of rhythmic fragments". Just shut the fuck up.
 
Eulogy - to claim that Discharge were the band that made the guitar line the main focus of the melodic element of the music is to display an amazing ignorance of the history of the development of metal.

Bottom line: Discharge were influential to a small amount of bands. Inluence alone does not mean they are of any worth.
 
Carcassian said:
Eulogy - to claim that Discharge were the band that made the guitar line the main focus of the melodic element of the music is to display an amazing ignorance of the history of the development of metal.

Name a single band before Discharge who used the guitar line as the PRIMARY ELEMENT OF MELODY. Sabbath, Priest and Maiden occasionally used melodic guitar lines, but the dominant melodies of their songs were constructed in and carried by the vocal lines, with the guitars functioning primarily as rhythmic accompaniment and providing melodic shading during instrumental interludes.

Bottom line: Discharge were influential to a small amount of bands. Inluence alone does not mean they are of any worth.

Discharge was a primary influence (either directly or at second hand) on virtually every extreme metal act, which establishes, at the very least, their historical significance. Their artistic merit speaks for itself.
 
Barry Sanders didn't revolutionize anything. He was a great running back. Bad analogy.

Prior to Barry Sanders, the emphasis was always on size and straight line power, his play and success fundamentally altered what scouts looked for in a tailback. Without Sanders, no one would talk about drafting players like Warrick Dunn or Reggie Bush in the first round.
 
Dodens Grav said:
Walter Payton.

A 5'11" 210 pound back in the days before scientific weight training (not to mention an era when defensive tackles averaged about 250 pounds), Payton did other things, but he was a power back in the classic mould.

But aren't we getting a little far afield?