DISTURBED - Asylum

James how come you always bring the drama in an unintentional fashion ....lol

Anyway I am sticking with my initial statement. The guitars just really seem to lack depth on this one for me. It may be that the kick is so punchy and in your face it pushes everything to the back of the mix, but I think the guitars could be up in this mix a little more.

I do really like the songs on it.
 
I dig the production. Songs are meh, but I like the title track a lot. I like the guitars a lot, reminds me of the character they had on Believe. One of my fave recto sounds.
 
What you may be hearing, guru, is the lack of a strong bass guitar presence, and the subsequent void across a fairly large chunk of midbass frequencies which is usually used as part of the illusion of creating a '00mfg ghugeee guitar tonezzzz'.
 
I was looking forward to checking this one out. Heard so many good things about the songs. I can't say I am as impressed sadly. These guys are on off for me, they have had some GREAT shit, but I agree with ermz, even for them, this is not a great effort :'(

As for the mix, seems fine to me, nothing amazing for sure, but not too bad. The drums - Toms a little higher tuned, snare a little less i don't know, sounds popcorny *is that a description*. The kick is obnoxious for sure, but not a bad sound imo. From past albums that I've tried to dissect, I think a really obnoxious kick ruins a mix. It's close for this one. I like the vocal sound a shit tone. I think a lot of that is delivery though, the dude is a great vocalist. Guitars are fucked.... haha. Guru, you're quite right. I don't think the kick is masking anything, they just sound... flat and fucking weak.

And Murph, you don't realize sometimes how snide you can be... but you always try to play it off with, "Oh it was meant to be funny haha, if you didn't laugh then it's on you, cause I did no wrong and you obviously don't get jokes blah blah"... Come on man... cut the shit for once. You and I have had the same shit before, it's no different now.
 
Ermz, the start of the song shows some pretty up front bass etc, and judging by your post, it's obviously not sitting where you assumed it would to solidify the guitars (which is my feeling too)? Can you explain that a bit. Because it seems like a prominent tone, just not one that compliments.

Nothing wrong with individual tone at all. But I remember a few engineers saying that sometimes you got to let go of personal inclinations to get the best out of the album as a whole, this guitar tones disregards that, that's for sure.
 
My perspective on it is that this is the half-way spot in the method of making a thin guitar/dominant bass mix. Except it was somehow stopped before the bass became sufficiently dominant. You know how we always talk about high passing higher than most people do... well the inherent danger is that you don't actually fill that gap sufficiently, and your illusion is incomplete. That's my take on it anyway.

Love the vocal sound on this record btw, but that's pretty much a given with Disturbed. 10-Thousand Fists was much the same. I loved the way they were 'nestled' into the mix. Never quite heard something like that since. Could've been due to the vocal ambiance and delay being very mono, and the guitars very wide.
 
yeah... again, i gotta poo poo on that one.. sitting in my own room i'm hearing the bass just fine, thanks.... as well as a much thicker guitar tone on this than on Believe... direct a/b across many songs.

i know what i hear, i stand by it... and if you can't hear sufficient bass on Asylum, then one of two things are suspect... your monitoring situation, or your ears.

i really do not care who likes the record or not... i am NOT a Disturbed "super fan", nor is this my favorite Disturbed record, neither regarding mix, nor musically... but it is a very solid record. Whether or not you agree that the songs are decent, or the guitar & bass tones are good, is purely opinion, and everyone is welcome to their opinion.

... but it's objective fact that the Asylum guitar tone is "bigger/thicker" than the Believe tone... and it's objective* fact that you can indeed hear the bass guitar just fine on Asylum - comparable to the bass level/weight on Believe. if you can't hear that i am right on those points, as per the comparisons to Believe, then you either have a monitoring problem, or.... well, we'll just leave it at that.

;)

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I need to listen on proper monitors to judge that for myself when I get a chance. On first listen, I get that picture of it for sure, how far that goes, I'll find out later. Again, the stellar part of this mix is definitely vocals. I think draiman is a great vocalist and that probably clenches at least 90% of getting good vocals haha.
 
James Murphy said:
yeah... again, i gotta poo poo on that one.. sitting in my own room i'm hearing the bass just fine, thanks.... as well as a much thicker guitar tone on this than on Believe... direct a/b across many songs.

i know what i hear, i stand by it... and if you can't hear sufficient bass on Asylum, then one of two things are suspect... your monitoring situation, or your ears.

i really do not care who likes the record or not... i am NOT a Disturbed "super fan", nor is this my favorite Disturbed record, neither regarding mix, nor musically... but it is a very solid record. Whether or not you agree that the songs are decent, or the guitar & bass tones are good, is purely opinion, and everyone is welcome to their opinion.

... but it's objective fact that the Asylum guitar tone is "bigger/thicker" than the Believe tone... and it's subjective fact that you can indeed hear the bass guitar just fine on Asylum - comparable to the bass level/weight on Believe. if you can't hear that i am right on those points, as per the comparisons to Believe, then you either have a monitoring problem, or.... well, we'll just leave it at that.

;)
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Haha, I love the authoritative radiance you have James, it never ceases to amaze. I'm not going to point out "facts" because I'm probably not as well adjusted to engineering *no where near*in fact as you guys *Ermz/ Murph* but I definitely know what I think sounds good and bad from listening to bands and their albums, and the growth between. And while you may actually be right about the Asylum guitar tone, then it's a shame the bass wasn't shaped well enough to really compliment what they went for with the guitars. That is all. Continue to factualize *i made that up, don't correct me on it ;)*
 
Chris, go fekk yourself, how 'bout that? you clearly don't realize how preachy you can be, eh? you always do it and always try to play it off as justified later.

i was INTENTIONALLY being snide, smart-ass... in response to what i felt was snide remarks. soooooooo, go suck it if you don't like it.. it was meant to be both snide and funny... and i don't owe you an explanation, nor do you have any right to preach to anyone about "bad behavior", because you are no shining exemplar... so how about you just "cut the shit", eh?


seriously... who are you, Ms. Manners? or just Ermz' own knight-in-armour, protecting him from "mean 'ol murphy"? well you're missing the point that Ermz and i are chatting quite friendly on AIM right now, as this is all posting... and he's certainly not taking this as seriously as you clearly are, and we actually seem to agree on most all my points, it turns out... so who are you actually defending anyway?


top tip: it's easy to speak with "authoritative radiance" when you know what the hell you're on about ;) ... it's also more a matter of the perception and bias of the observer of said "radiance" than of any qualitative measure of it's alleged issuer. IOW, "it's awl in yer 'ead mate!" xP

pro tip: ^ the above "top tip" was intended to be both snide AND funny, xoxo
 
righto dude. Well you know what. I will cut the shit. I won't continue the bullshit that happened last time and find comfort knowing I learned something from the last time. It's just a forum dude, have a laugh right?? XD
 
James, obvious you took it seriously enough to append your post. And no, I don't need to be ermins knight. Trust me, Ermin and I tend to disagree on many fundamentals, but at least I'm up front when I'm being a douche instead of making snide comments I was also about to show my sympathy to you for the dick move jmarz pulled on you. I tEll it how I see it. And again, it doesn't matte to me whether you and Ermin are chummy or not, it doesn't change your attitude either way. Anyways, I'm over it. I'll settle for realizing you are how you are, and I should try to care less for the attitude of some one I'll potentially only deal with their Internet persona.
I actually hope in some strange occurrence i get to meet you. We may have more in common then you think. :)

Anyways. I'm going to listen to this mix on some monitors. Got treatment coming in tomorrow woo!
 
ftr, and i've mentioned this before.. i tend to start a post, post it, then edit my mistakes or things i'd like to word differently until i'm satisfied that my point is clear... then i refresh... only after refreshing do i see any other posts that have been made since i first posted... i just need to learn to use the "preview" option more often, so don't make anything more out of that than is actually there.

i used "snide" because you seemed to like the word.. but i wasn't being very indirect, so it may not really be the best word after all... maybe sarcastic? ... anyway, i truly do not care how you perceive my "internet persona", since i am not here to impress you. and anyway, what does this have to do with what Jesse did?

no, it's clear enough you thought i was attacking Ermz' opinion and you stepped up to his defense. but he did not need it. go ahead and be utterly disingenuous and deny that's what you were doing if you like.

bottom line is you decided to chastise me on my behavior... but being no shining example of good behavior yourself, you'll have to excuse me if it carries little weight.

this is a simple matter Chris.. you are attempting to make yourself some sort of defender here... but no one needs your protection, and you are not the arbiter of good manners on this forum.


again for the record, my point in this thread was that compared to Believe, the guitars on Asylum are thicker and louder... after a quick A/B Ermin agreed with this, as someone with proper ears would do. i also stated that the bass is just as prominent on Asylum as on Believe... Ermin offered no opinion on that comparison. liking one tone or another is subjective, but how loud or full one tone is compared to another is objective.

what you may or may not think about "how" i stated that, is your issue.... and you certainly decided to make an issue out if it... to be honest, i'm beyond through with your condemnations of how i word things in forum posts. it's not your place, and it's not welcome.

and yes.. it would be good to meet in person.... you would probably finally learn that perceptions of "internet persona" are entirely subjective to your own mindset, and are much harder to cling to when actually face to face with someone, for better or worse.
 
Melb_shredder said:
I need to listen on proper monitors to judge that for myself when I get a chance. On first listen, I get that picture of it for sure, how far that goes, I'll find out later. Again, the stellar part of this mix is definitely vocals. I think draiman is a great vocalist and that probably clenches at least 90% of getting good vocals haha.
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Yeah I agree. Most of the Disturbed records have pretty good vocal sounds. You'd be hard pressed to ignore the common underlying factor between them. This album in particular seems to seat them really well, but on the whole that's one of the few positives I can cite.

Your treatment will probably help you work out what's going on in that low-end a lot better.
 
For reference ermz. I was listening to this mostly on cans and then the manns, I obviously lose any real lows with them, but i still heard what I said earlier. When treatment goes in im sure all with be better, but I still have TTF and indestructable blaring, so I still hear the comparisons, despite the skewing. It's at least consistent haha!
 
Melb and James just STFU ...lol

At this point we have all made our remarks and somethings we agree on and others we disagree. As for how good it sounds on your monitors thats one thing, but not everyone has top quality audio in the car / home / headphones and you would think as a band / producer / artist you would want your mixes to translate as well as possible across all systems. We are all obviously all hearing different things based on the quality of our monitors / rooms / ears and I would think there should be at least SOME kind of consistency across them. With everything that's been said I am just not getting that.

Songs = A- / B+
Production = C+ due to the fact that its not translating well on everyones systems, and the kick (although a great kick sound) is just way too in your face.
 
Hey Guru, gladly!
I agree with you on that. Generally we can all agree it's great because.... BUT.. yet between what... 4 of us? there's major differences in our reasoning etc. And again, feel free to take me out of the equation due to lack of experience etc. But I'm still happy to point out what I feel is not sitting well going from previous albums of theirs at the least. I try not to judge as much against other bands albums if the said band has already achieved a great mix that works for them etc. I just dislike what I'm hearing mostly on the kick and how the guitars fit in overall i guess. The worst thing is, as a *semi at least* fan of the band, the songs don't even distract me from being analytical about the mix :(

Either way, I want that vocal chain :|
 
what the hell are you even talking about Guru?? eh? do you even know? lol. no one needs you telling them to shut up:


THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT DISTURBED'S ASYLUM CD... AS SUCH IT IS BEING DISCUSSED ON ALL LEVELS.... TELLING PEOPLE TO STOP DISCUSSING IT IS TANTAMOUNT TO SAYING THE THREAD SHOULD NOT EXIST... WHO THE FEKK DIED AND MADE YOU MOD, EH?

... so mayabe take your own advice and.. you know... STFU. :lol:



i will have a final say and push off from this thread though, because i'm growing weary:

this is ALL that i have said in this thread.... 1. the bass guitar on Asylum is clear, very audible, and equivalent in balance and power as to that on Believe. 2. the rhythm guitar on Asylum is louder and thicker than that on Believe. these are objective points. you can either hear it or you can't. if you can't, that's your problem (with either your ears or your monitors/room).

i did not once say the guitar tone or the bass sound were amazing, that would be an entirely subjective assertion... but they are good (in my subjective opinion), in that they work just fine in the mix and sound just exactly like Disturbed.

AGAIN: my comments are relative to levels on Believe.


so.



suck.



it.



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