DISTURBED - Asylum
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guitarguru777
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You know me Murph, anything to get a dig in on the old man 
Yes I agree its all subjective, but my points till stand. Its 2 against one bitch ... so step up!
Yes I agree its all subjective, but my points till stand. Its 2 against one bitch ... so step up!
nope... private AIM chats amongst the principals revealed more agreement than not.Its 2 against one bitch ... so step up!
... and we also all agreed that you are a turd-gargler.
i win. you lose.... merry go bye bye.
Melb_shredder
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Ermz
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I have a great and undying respect for anyone with the ability to withstand taking photographs of fat chicks 'doing it' around the clock.
JeffTD
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Not interested in reading whatever the hell went down in the posts above this, but I'm not digging the production. Guitars are thin and undergained for the style, IMO - not thick or juicy enough at all. Snare is really thin, kick is pretty much the same. Drums could be way fatter in general. Bass could have greater presence. The whole thing is clear but it definitely lacks power and fatness that I'd expect for music like this.
IMO it doesn't matter what a mix sounds like on a "proper monitoring setup." If it sounds like shit on run of the mill small speakers, or in a car, then it's a shit mix.
Not saying this is a shit mix, but it's definitely not very exciting...
Not saying this is a shit mix, but it's definitely not very exciting...
Morgan C
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To me, it sounds like everything <200hz is being carried solely by the kick. Which is pumping everything to fuck and pissing me off in double bass sections. It's a really cool kick and drum sound in general, but not for this music. I wouldn't say everything is thin, the guitars and snare are pretty thick and saturated to me, they just lack lowmids.
And I'm not getting why comparisons are being made to 'Believe'? The guitars are thicker/louder than 'Believe' therefore... what? Not sure what the point was there, because I don't consider 'Believe' to be a particularly good mix either (especially the guitars).
And I'm not getting why comparisons are being made to 'Believe'? The guitars are thicker/louder than 'Believe' therefore... what? Not sure what the point was there, because I don't consider 'Believe' to be a particularly good mix either (especially the guitars).
Hey hey! I never agreed to that. I like guitarguru
i like him too... but i'm still convinced he's a turd-gargler,
i don't recall anyone talking too deeply about what it sounded like on a "proper set up", as opposed to a consumer playback system...
... but, there are very clearly issues with making ostensibly objective judgments about a particular elements with a mix, regardless of what level of system it is, and considering it a "fait accompli" that those judgments are unassailable.... so your point may be valid on the surface, but it's not as simple as all that when extracting judgments about the specific tonal character of a specific tone within in a mix....
EXAMPLE: i remember a few years back when Andy and I dropped in on Monte Conner at the Roardrunner offices in NYC.... he had recently given both andy and myself some grief about the low end in our mixes... he had a mid-line consumer stereo system in his office that he did all his listening on.... NOW, the point you make above would seem to apply, yes? because regardless of how poor the system was, he listened to everything on it and therefore his calls were still valid in that context, right?.....
wrong... Andy crawled under Monte's desk, right then and there. and found that he'd had the phase reversed on the little sub that came with the system... so Andy fixed that for him.
after that day Monte's remarks about low end changed considerably.
so yes.. it does matter, and the above is just one example, among various other possible reasons, why something about a room or system may distort perceptions and how the resulting judgments can seem to defy the good 'ol "i listen to everything on it" logic.
but, this was not a major point in this discussion.
you didn't miss too much Jeff... as usual a few people read one thing and took away another... quick synopsis:
i asserted that regardless of what anyone may think about the Asylum mix (a subjective judgement), it is quantifiable and clearly noticeable that compared to Believe, Asylum has louder and thicker guitars, and similar bass (an entirely objective matter).
of course a few people read what they wanted and i had to repeat it about 3 times until it was finally understood.
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beyond that i don't care who likes what... i personally think, with all the tones sounding exactly like Disturbed, whether you like them or not, that it's a good mix.... better than Believe at any rate.
it's not my favorite mix... but in context of the tones at hand, i do think it's a good mix.... and i don't care what anyone else thinks, everyone is welcome to their opinion....
but the guitars are louder and thicker than on Believe... and that's not subjective... anyone who says they aren't needs to work on their ears, their monitoring (whether studio or consumer playback), or both. full stop.
Morgan... early in the thread someone commented that Asylum was "thinner", or a similar comment, then other Disturbed releases... that's why i brought up the comparison to Believe... because it was a clear example of a case where that comment was not true.
FTR, it's not fun at all, and quickly becomes pedantic, pointing back to what was said earlier in a thread in which newcomers want to comment, but don't care to read thoroughly.
but yeah... i don't really care and have no idea why i have bothered to engage in this discussion at all,
back to work for me.
as you were gentlemen.
back to work for me.
as you were gentlemen.
Ermz
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I'm not getting the correlation either.
This is how 'Believe' was originally brought up in this thread, on the first page:
ubersyntax said:
kaomao said:
Judging from the nature of his comments, we could assume that ubersyntax is talking about the record musically, and not from a production POV. So in effect nobody actually compared The Asylum's production to Believe's until this:
James Murphy said:
Then somehow was incorporated as part of an argument here:
James Murphy said:
So in effect, I see nothing to validate the following statement:
James Murphy said:
Since we're being objective.
well shit, you're right Ermin... i misremembered a minor point (perhaps, since your little investigation doesn't take into account possibly edited or deleted posts), so therefore all my points are now rendered invalid.
carry on...
btw, i was most likely simply misremembering the exact wording on Ubersyntax's post.... which you just quoted, so actually everything i said stands, especially my reasoning for going down the Believe vs. Aslyum path to start with... since we're being objective.
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carry on...
btw, i was most likely simply misremembering the exact wording on Ubersyntax's post.... which you just quoted, so actually everything i said stands, especially my reasoning for going down the Believe vs. Aslyum path to start with... since we're being objective.
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guitarguru777
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i like him too... but i'm still convinced he's a turd-gargler,
LOL
There is just no making you happy ...god damn floridians. I swear you all take on that "you young whipper-snappers don't know shit" mentality
Im waiting to hear the "up hill , both ways, in the snow, with hemorrhoids" storys. You know like ...
You kids don't know shit, back in the day we had to record everything to 1/4" inch tape and edit with razor blades. Oh you dont know what "tape" is. Well let me explain. see back in the day before DAW's, Cracked Waves Plugins, and Re-Amp boxes, there was a thing called a tape machine. It was used to record audio signal too. It was an amazing piece of machinery in that it had these 2 giant reels on it. One full of this "magnetic tape" stuff, and the other was empty.
The way it worked was the tape moved across whats called "play head" and as it passed along the play head the "magnetic" tape head collected the audio data and spooled up on the other reel.
Anyway you kids have it easy with your Digital Cut & Paste Tap To Transient Re-amp Boxes and Cracked Waves Plugins ... back in the day it was an uphill battle both ways in the snow with a pit bull hanging from your sack. You have no idea how easy it is today .....
Or some derivative there of
LOL
There is just no making you happy ...god damn floridians. I swear you all take on that "you young whipper-snappers don't know shit" mentality
Im waiting to hear the "up hill , both ways, in the snow, with hemorrhoids" storys. You know like ...
You kids don't know shit, back in the day we had to record everything to 1/4" inch tape and edit with razor blades. Oh you dont know what "tape" is. Well let me explain. see back in the day before DAW's, Cracked Waves Plugins, and Re-Amp boxes, there was a thing called a tape machine. It was used to record audio signal too. It was an amazing piece of machinery in that it had these 2 giant reels on it. One full of this "magnetic tape" stuff, and the other was empty.
The way it worked was the tape moved across whats called "play head" and as it passed along the play head the "magnetic" tape head collected the audio data and spooled up on the other reel.
Anyway you kids have it easy with your Digital Cut & Paste Tap To Transient Re-amp Boxes and Cracked Waves Plugins ... back in the day it was an uphill battle both ways in the snow with a pit bull hanging from your sack. You have no idea how easy it is today .....
Or some derivative there of
^win.
JayB
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JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Since I was the only one to say "Not interested in reading...", I'm going to avoid any future backpedalling and say it's safe to assume that the 'fine print' was directed at me, and that I don't have any issues of my own for interpreting it as such.
I wasn't saying that I didn't care to read through the thread in order to educate myself on the points made, I was saying that I really don't give two shits about all the bitching and moaning that went back and forth about something that had nothing to do with what was being discussed in the first place.
Now that half the posts that started this entire thing are gone, though, I guess we can all move on?
better than moving on, can we just agree that disturbed really suck, therefore rendering any argument re: the mix of their albums totally moot?
Ermz
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We may actually have to, since the posts that originally instigated the argument on the first page are now missing
I don't think they suck to be honest. They may not be the greatest band on earth, but when they write a decent track it's usually listenable, and Daiman has an interesting character to his voice. They are at the very least distinctive and doing their own thing.
I don't think they suck to be honest. They may not be the greatest band on earth, but when they write a decent track it's usually listenable, and Daiman has an interesting character to his voice. They are at the very least distinctive and doing their own thing.
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