Djent with good production ?

well the link doesnt take me to anything with the album streaming but i thought djent was all about production?? getting the typical guitar tone... the typical drum sound (ie superior). so im confused?? djent prides itself on production. perhaps you meant to say black metal and not djent.
 
The link is in the thread :p
My mistake, forgot some people actually might like that sound ha.

But what im looking for is not weird boxy guitar tones, superior drummer and everything compressed to hell and back resulting in a narrow and tiny sound :/
 
Paul Ortiz aka Chimp Spanner. He may be deemed "djent" a lot of the time, but his production skills are crazy. I absolutely love the depth of his mixes, and I've had the opportunity to work/jam with him a couple times, he really is a step ahead of the rest.
 
The original djent had great production (my favourite ever, actually):

 
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Tesseract's One has an amazing sound. You can feel dimension in the entire thing, especially if you own a sub.

Tbh I think One is a bit too tame sounding. Never seems aggressive enough for me.
Better than most djent stuff though which has a tendency for overly thin guitars and over compressed superior drums.
 
I think the only decent-sounding 'djent' albums are Destroy Erase Improve and Chaosphere, but honestly even those are sounding dated these days.

I'm positive that the only way to push djent production forward is to take the Randy approach and just fucking annihilate it into compressor-induced pump-groove. It HAS to be done in analogue, and the bands need to ditch their obsessions with shitty sounding digital tones. They also need to ditch the auto-tune crutch and stop their singers trying to blow arse mid-song and just stick to growling, unless they can actually sing without aides.

FWIW I don't think there's anything wrong with using Superior... but it needs to be done well. Blended with real drums in a way where the fact that 'ah shit its just superior drums again' doesn't come through as much.
 
I mostly agree with Ermz although for me the drums are more problematic than the guitar tones. A big part of why those meshuggah albums sound as good as they do is b/c --despite the mechanical nature -- Haake's feel really comes through. By contrast, most djent just sounds like someone trying to program like Tomas (even when they have a great drummer who supposedly played). It just ends up sounding like demos to me. Most of these guys can play (the tesseract live in studio proves it) so I wish they would try to record the band.
 
Off the top of my head:

Exoplanet by The Contortionist
Death of a Dead Day by Sikth
Diamond Eyes by Deftones

Whether you want to call them "djent" or not, these albums are all obviously influenced by Meshuggah and feature that low tuned robotic rhythmic stuff. They also all used real amps and at least recorded a real drummer, which really helps. I think micing up a cab really just sounds better... nearly every time...

The latest After The Burial is another good example... I believe the drums are still Superior, but the guitar tone, while not my absolute favorite, sounds worlds better than any of their previous stuff. Jocke micing up some amps and cabs had a lot to do with that.

Fear Factory/Divine Heresy clearly feature nearly the exact same kind of sound too.... but people don't call them djent, because Dino has been around before Periphery existed. hah... I think some of his newer stuff actually sounds pretty good guitar wise (drums are of course extremely machine like unfortunately)... I believe he used a 5150 III and Mesa cab on one of these newer releases, but I can't remember which at the moment. I know he also uses Line 6 stuff... I'm pretty sure the album tones came from a mic'd up Mesa cab though, even if a Line 6 head was used.

I'm rambling, but.... I think these kind of guitar tones you hear on any of these albums could easily work for bands like Periphery/Tesseract/Chimp Spanner/Animals As Leaders/etc., but they seem to prefer these weak, flat, muffled rhythm sounds for some reason I can't understand. The mic'd tones are just way more aggressive and have more depth in the mix. Real drumming obviously would be a huge improvement too, but I think great sounding stuff can still be made with things like Toontrack's Metal Machine if the midi programming, guitars/bass, and vocal tuning were all more realistic and mixed well...
 
I liked the TesseracT Cd other than the drums. But the live studio recording dvd sounds better.
 
Maybe they should go the route that A Plea For Purging went on their new album, i'd love to hear some Djent sound like that.
 
I'm a big fan of the djent "movement" :) I love the fact that they are trying to be experimental and different from the other sub-genres of metal we're all used to. Different strokes for different folks i guess! :D
 
Experimental in a musical sense. To answer your question I think that's because most of the djent musicians are usually bedroom producers, and fans of Misha Mansoor, who obviously started the djent bedroom production. Just to be clear i don't really dig ALL of them, only a few actuall. Because a lot of the new stuff coming out are just rip-offs. Would you rather listen to crabcore than djent? :p
 


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