Do You Belive In God?
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northern_blaze
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You cannot ask questions like "do you believe in God?".
If you say "I don´t believe in God", you´re mainly stating that you lack what christians call faith, and that you bear no belief in the divine, but you fit in the same characteristic all christians share: the process of belief, or non belief.
Like me, some people do not say "I don´t believe in God". But what I keep in mind is that I know God does not exist, and I do not simply take that as a "I don´t believe" statement. I don´t feel by instinct or by presumption that there is no god, but I base my knowledge on evidences or whatever anyone may call it that there is no divine entities at all.
This is one other reason why it is truly IMPOSSIBLE for a person who truly believes in a god to argue with one person who thinks there is no god. And with that, no development will come out from the discussion, no matter how much a christian would have to say about faith, and god, and bible. And likely no matter how hard one who knows there is no god would try to convince a believer that there is no god, it would be impossible to do so if the believer would stay attached to his convictions, and vice-versa, yeah by now you got my point.
If you say "I don´t believe in God", you´re mainly stating that you lack what christians call faith, and that you bear no belief in the divine, but you fit in the same characteristic all christians share: the process of belief, or non belief.
Like me, some people do not say "I don´t believe in God". But what I keep in mind is that I know God does not exist, and I do not simply take that as a "I don´t believe" statement. I don´t feel by instinct or by presumption that there is no god, but I base my knowledge on evidences or whatever anyone may call it that there is no divine entities at all.
This is one other reason why it is truly IMPOSSIBLE for a person who truly believes in a god to argue with one person who thinks there is no god. And with that, no development will come out from the discussion, no matter how much a christian would have to say about faith, and god, and bible. And likely no matter how hard one who knows there is no god would try to convince a believer that there is no god, it would be impossible to do so if the believer would stay attached to his convictions, and vice-versa, yeah by now you got my point.
Dilton: Ack.
And a fine opinion about the senselessness of the institutionalisation of a religion can be found in Terry Pratchett's Small Gods.
ISBN 0-552-13890-8
No, I'm not getting any money for advertising him.
-towo
And a fine opinion about the senselessness of the institutionalisation of a religion can be found in Terry Pratchett's Small Gods.
ISBN 0-552-13890-8
No, I'm not getting any money for advertising him.
-towo
Raistlin1980
And justice for some
So you have evidences that there is no god?? Please, share them with us!
I don't believe in god, but I know that it's not possible to know if he does exist or not.
dawnghost
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towo: you sure seem to enjoy Terry Pratchett's works eh? I'll be sure to try and read some.
I tend to talk a lot to Dilton (he's almost my neighbour here) about those subjects, life and death, morals and ethics, interesting scientific stuff as well, he knows about that
I think we tend to learn new things with our conversations, mainly because we respect each other's views.
I don't know if he expressed himself poorly, but I'll try to share my views on what I have understood of his post.
I think it is a mistake to say that if I believe in God it's solely because I have faith, blind faith and nothing else. for that, I could say that you'd have to have as much faith (even more) to believe that life sprung out of nothing.
it's a flaw to underestimate people like that. many PhD geneticists, biologists, you name it, believe there is a Creator behind this mystery we call life.
so would you say one thing is logical and the other is not? not in our current state. I'd say much of the 'serious' side of this debate [cause using the COB forum for this is just...] fails to go to the media, and for that I am sorry cause there's a lot of interesting stuff out there being discovered.
I have had a few hmmm... experiences with God that none here would consider to have been rational and Dilton classifies as 'coincidences', but if I did not think it was rational, logical to believe that God exists beforehand, I would believe they were merely coincidences too I guess (even though they were some bad-ass coincidences, let me tell you).
I do think though that the miracle of life is too much a coincidence for me to bear. and I am not saying this out of the blue... but I am not going to actually jump into a debate here because few would read the articles I'd post, let alone take some time to refute them or answer my questions. I've seen this before and it was tiresome. actually, not entirely tiresome, SomeGuy and DisTortorous came up with a few very good views and the former actually read everything I posted
so yes, in the end, it's actually a matter of what you believe in. but if you're not actually searching for the truth and studying, it's just blind faith. please take some time to study and read, and know what both sides are talking about before jumping to conclusions.
it's not IMPOSSIBLE Dilton. it's impossible for you to beat me at Worms, but not to argue about this.
I tend to talk a lot to Dilton (he's almost my neighbour here) about those subjects, life and death, morals and ethics, interesting scientific stuff as well, he knows about that
I think we tend to learn new things with our conversations, mainly because we respect each other's views.
I don't know if he expressed himself poorly, but I'll try to share my views on what I have understood of his post.
I think it is a mistake to say that if I believe in God it's solely because I have faith, blind faith and nothing else. for that, I could say that you'd have to have as much faith (even more) to believe that life sprung out of nothing.
it's a flaw to underestimate people like that. many PhD geneticists, biologists, you name it, believe there is a Creator behind this mystery we call life.
so would you say one thing is logical and the other is not? not in our current state. I'd say much of the 'serious' side of this debate [cause using the COB forum for this is just...
] fails to go to the media, and for that I am sorry cause there's a lot of interesting stuff out there being discovered.I have had a few hmmm... experiences with God that none here would consider to have been rational and Dilton classifies as 'coincidences', but if I did not think it was rational, logical to believe that God exists beforehand, I would believe they were merely coincidences too I guess (even though they were some bad-ass coincidences, let me tell you).
I do think though that the miracle of life is too much a coincidence for me to bear. and I am not saying this out of the blue... but I am not going to actually jump into a debate here because few would read the articles I'd post, let alone take some time to refute them or answer my questions. I've seen this before and it was tiresome. actually, not entirely tiresome, SomeGuy and DisTortorous came up with a few very good views and the former actually read everything I posted
so yes, in the end, it's actually a matter of what you believe in. but if you're not actually searching for the truth and studying, it's just blind faith. please take some time to study and read, and know what both sides are talking about before jumping to conclusions.
it's not IMPOSSIBLE Dilton. it's impossible for you to beat me at Worms, but not to argue about this.
MagSec4
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very well said dawnghost..
If I may add:
Dilton, all respect to you man but, the process of belief and disbelief is NOT a 'christian characteristic' It is human nature to have the ability to reason, thought process, analyze, and make decisions; and this could be about anything and everything in our lives.. If based on certain evidence or observations on your part, you suspect that your girlfriend is cheating on you then that's a belief... and it'll remain 'a belief' until it is unarguably proven.
Raistlin1980 has a lot of sense, there is (that we know) NO WAY to prove wether or not God exists.. It is only 'beliefs' on the parts of each one of us.. based on what we've been taught, and what our brain chooses to make of the observations we make.
All we have are 'beliefs' 'opinions' and there can be no right or wrong ones if there's no way to definitely prove it. But there are such things as valid opinons and non-valid opinions... or opinons more valid than others; and this is based on the observations, facts, and knowledge that you put behind your opinion.
Personally, having a very vast knowledge of chemistry, biochemistry, and biology; and a very scientific oriented mind; I choose to believe the following: "there's no way all this shit happened just like that..." I'm certain that many of the people that choose to not believe in a higher force would change their minds if they knew how fucking intricate, precise, abstract, and complicated things are...things like chemical processes in living organisms and just all the perfection that this universe holds with it's fundamental physical properties and the way they interact and the way they behave....it's just.. perfect (Unlike people's minds, because we have the power of choice and so we argue.......)
If I may add:
Dilton, all respect to you man but, the process of belief and disbelief is NOT a 'christian characteristic' It is human nature to have the ability to reason, thought process, analyze, and make decisions; and this could be about anything and everything in our lives.. If based on certain evidence or observations on your part, you suspect that your girlfriend is cheating on you then that's a belief... and it'll remain 'a belief' until it is unarguably proven.
Raistlin1980 has a lot of sense, there is (that we know) NO WAY to prove wether or not God exists.. It is only 'beliefs' on the parts of each one of us.. based on what we've been taught, and what our brain chooses to make of the observations we make.
All we have are 'beliefs' 'opinions' and there can be no right or wrong ones if there's no way to definitely prove it. But there are such things as valid opinons and non-valid opinions... or opinons more valid than others; and this is based on the observations, facts, and knowledge that you put behind your opinion.
Personally, having a very vast knowledge of chemistry, biochemistry, and biology; and a very scientific oriented mind; I choose to believe the following: "there's no way all this shit happened just like that..." I'm certain that many of the people that choose to not believe in a higher force would change their minds if they knew how fucking intricate, precise, abstract, and complicated things are...things like chemical processes in living organisms and just all the perfection that this universe holds with it's fundamental physical properties and the way they interact and the way they behave....it's just.. perfect (Unlike people's minds, because we have the power of choice and so we argue.......)
Raistlin1980
And justice for some
I think that people need to invent creators. But if god created the universe, who created god? Nobody? Maybe he did always exist? Maybe the universe did always exist...
But all evidence say that there was a big bang. And we can't know what caused it, as we can't know the physical laws that existed before it, if any. And when human can't know something, he uses gods to explain it. When there was some kind of storm with thunders and lightnings in ancient Greece it was attributed to Zeus. I don't think inventing answers like that is right.
Finally, I think that many people can't stand the possibility of being a result of coincidences, and they want to believe that we are some written plan of a superior being who suddenly decided we should exist.
BTW, I like talking about things like this, not only the typical "what's your favourite song" threads. I will read every post that is written here.
But all evidence say that there was a big bang. And we can't know what caused it, as we can't know the physical laws that existed before it, if any. And when human can't know something, he uses gods to explain it. When there was some kind of storm with thunders and lightnings in ancient Greece it was attributed to Zeus. I don't think inventing answers like that is right.
Finally, I think that many people can't stand the possibility of being a result of coincidences, and they want to believe that we are some written plan of a superior being who suddenly decided we should exist.
BTW, I like talking about things like this, not only the typical "what's your favourite song" threads. I will read every post that is written here.
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BodomiC
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pff.... I know that, somewhere up there in the sky is some God. Im not quite sure how to name this god, but there's gotta to be at least one
But I dont believe in church, /i would be pleased if someone burns all the churches out there. God dont need to have any managers ( priests ) and supporters making money and loads of stuff on his name.
But I dont believe in church, /i would be pleased if someone burns all the churches out there. God dont need to have any managers ( priests ) and supporters making money and loads of stuff on his name.
H.P.Lovecraft
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northern_blaze
Psychopathologist
Cat5Messiah
Violator of Sheep
Okay.......I don't believe in god.......
One.......I don't think that I shold believe in something that has never approached me..........
Two.....I don't believe everything I have only read about.......
Three.....I am my own God.........
Four........I am not religious
Five.......I know enough to know life after death doesn't reflect on heaven or hell....trust me
Six..........I know what happens when we die (or at least I think we do)........
One.......I don't think that I shold believe in something that has never approached me..........
Two.....I don't believe everything I have only read about.......
Three.....I am my own God.........
Four........I am not religious
Five.......I know enough to know life after death doesn't reflect on heaven or hell....trust me
Six..........I know what happens when we die (or at least I think we do)........
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