Do they belive?

Guardian of Darkness said:
Not exactly, but I think he basically meant the same thing - he wanted to move away from metal because black culture had been integrated into it.
Nah, I think when he originaly stated it, he was talking about the fact that metal had derived from rock and blues, and that had been created by the blacks, which is what offended him so much.

Henrik Main said:
Bands like Deathspell Omega and Ondskapt seem genuinely satanic, though.
Indeed.
 
Guardian of Darkness said:
The "metal heads" tend to behave like a bunch of "White my pals", so to speak, with their sex, drugs and rock'n'roll culture."

Varg Vikernes is definitely a bonafide dumbfuck. In attempting to clear up previous statements he ends up making even more idiotic pronouncements. Hedonism was practiced widely in the ancient world and advanced by philosophers such as Epicurus long before "negro culture" had an influence on anything.
 
That's only Varg Vikernes' problem if he can't stand black people. Do you guys really care about the " black culture " in today's metal? I don't, because I never noticed it. I'll care about it only if it gets annoying, which is not the case yet.

A lot of black metal fanatics ( I don't think there are any here ) are simply stupid. Example: 2 days ago I was talking with some black metal freak who hates all jews, blacks, gays, etc. I told him: Well maybe you hate gays because you're gay and can't admit it ( it happens sometimes with socialy unadapted people ). But the guy answered: No, NO! It's not my destiny. Then I answered: Oh it's not your destiny? But do you believe in god? ( I prefer saying a superior intelligence instead of god ) But then the guy answered: No, I don't believe in god. To conclude I told him: Well, to believe in destiny you need to believe in god ( then I made the entire argumentation I saw in philosophie courses to prove myself but it would be too long to copy it here )

He entered into contradiction.......

That guy is also a Burzum fanatic, but maybe it's only a coincidence.
 
Guardian of Darkness said:
There's plenty of mad idiots in black metal, to be sure. I certainly don't like the rock'n'roll culture in metal, though.

Sure, I don't like it either, but we don't have the choice but to endure it.
 
SculptedCold said:
When the lyrics breach upon active misanthropy, hate, violence etc, then you can be 100% certain the person who wrote them is full of shit. Hell, most of them are all luvvy-duvvy with kids and a family; the first, most basic and strongest unit of modern authoritarian socio-political power.

Some do, some don't. Most don't.
I think it's also possible to express feelings of hate, misanthropy, violence etc which are indeed genuine without nessacarly allowing them to consume your entire life and still be genuine. The feelings genuinly exist, the music is a genuine expression of those feelings and therefore it is not a contradiction to have children, a wife, family or whatever and still play misanthropic metal. Of course if you make a statement like Xasthur did in "Telepathic With the Deceased" then you sorta have something to live up to...
 
Cythraul said:
The guitar was most definitely not invented by black people nor is it predominantly played by black people. As much as I respect the man's music I still know that he's quite out of touch with reality.

Varg doesn't think guitars are for black people. I believe he doesn't like the majority of the rock/metal scene because the originators of the music were black people, aka the bluesmen. I have more things to say, but I'm going to make a separate post.
 
Okay. Here's the possible conclusion I have arrived at in relation to the extreme "belief" supposedly held by many in the metal genre...er...specifically the black metal genre. I'm going to be talking about the classic black metal right now. Mayhem, Emperor, Burzum, Satyricon, etc.

In early interviews with the bands, they all seem to express extreme views of hatred for humanity and such. Unless an individual is mentally disturbed/disabled, I do not believe that anyone can truly have these views. You have to put their comments in perspective. All of these people when they were doing and saying these things that have made them infamous were under twenty one years of age. I really think it's an age thing. I believe Euronymous was only about twenty when he was killed, but I can't find when he was born right now. Speaking of which, I would say that Euronymous is probably the most infamous, if you have read anything about the Inner Circle activities. If these things are true, I think Euronymous had some serious issues. But I really think that if he was still around to day, he would be doing similar things as Ihsahn is doing now.

So since all of these famous black metal people have grown up, they no longer seem to have these extreme beliefs. A few examples: Ihsahn...he's now a true musician, experimenting and making progressive music. Not that the Emperor work didn't show artistic ability, but he's not confined with in the black metal scene now.

Satyr of Satyricon seems to be losing interested in black metal it seems, from various things I've read. Satyricon have become a more commercial band and seem to have lost much of the musicianship and creativity present on their earlier albums.

Nocturno Culto and Fenriz might seem to be an exception to this, but for anyone that hasn't noticed, they're not really active anymore. Sure, we get the yearly new Darkthrone album....but that's it, aside from Nocturno's one recent performance at Wacken. And if anyone has read any more recent interviews with Nocturno Culto, it's also evident he has changed.

Now I do believe that there are real Satanists in metal, Akercocke for example, but I am using examples of the people who ten or fifteen years ago claimed to be evil, worship the Devil, and other such things. Yes, there are people who speak out against Christianity, believe in the ideas of LaVey Satanism, have Pagan beliefs, etc; But it doesn't seem to me that their are any truly evil devil worshippers in the black metal genre.

Now this is just a theory, and it seems to apply in a lot of places. But there are still bands such as Mutiilation who have remained relatively underground, and there is no reference to their beliefs except with their music, which still seems to be generally the same as their earlier albums. I'd love to hear comments from others on this possible theory, whether to aid or try to contradict it.
 
crimsonfloyd said:
I think it's also possible to express feelings of hate, misanthropy, violence etc which are indeed genuine without nessacarly allowing them to consume your entire life and still be genuine. The feelings genuinly exist, the music is a genuine expression of those feelings and therefore it is not a contradiction to have children, a wife, family or whatever and still play misanthropic metal. Of course if you make a statement like Xasthur did in "Telepathic With the Deceased" then you sorta have something to live up to...

Aha...okay, I read this after I made my post. I definitely agree with this. As most good metal is expressive of emotions. Most black metal expresses sadness, melancholy, misanthropy, etc. Yes, people have these feelings and express them through music. And part of the expression is the image generally associated with black metal. To clarify what I said, I don't think that there are any people who truly are what Euronymous claimed to be.
 
Speaking of which, I would say that Euronymous is probably the most infamous, if you have read anything about the Inner Circle activities. If these things are true, I think Euronymous had some serious issues.

The snuff films and kiddie porn? Yeah, that's fucked up.
 
Barking Pumpkin said:
Eh? Do you have a link to some more articles about the Inner Circle, I haven't read about it in a while?


A. its the Black Circle not the Inner Circle..

B. Don't believe everything you hear or read on the internet.. the so called snuff films and kiddie porn associated with Euronymous and the Black Circle is false..

C. If you want to learn further about Euronymous, Varg, Isahn and other Black Metal contemporaries.. I recommend reading the book : Lords of Chaos: The bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground by Michael Moynihan and Didrik Soderlind... but get the New Edition of the book..the updated one... very very good book on the history of black metal.. the myths and the truths of the scene ... alot of Varg interviews.. the guy is a major asshole and from what someone else said.. not in touch with reality...
 
Guardian of Darkness said:
Varg Vikernes thinks guitars are for black people!


Varg is a major dickhead. The fact he has any followers amazes me. Granted I think his Burzum albums are good still doesnt mean he's not a ass. I'm pretty sure when and if he gets out of prison some of Euronymous's friends and/or followers will want to give Varg a "bloody welcoming party" ... I wouldnt be surprised if he is in isolation in prison. away from the general population because he wouldnt have lived this long if he was in general population with the death threats he gets.