Dragonforce: 44,000 U.S. sales in two months

[BenMech]

I'll say this - Demoniac was Dawson and Tottman's baby, and Li was just a hired gun for the third album, while Li and Tottman are the prime movers in Dragonforce. What this means is that Lindsey "Behemoth" Dawson is/was a racist dickhead. Li can backpedal all he wants about doing the sessionwork for fame and exposure.

I've yet to see Tottman (who was in Demoniac since day 1) questioned one on one about HIS real opinions.

Btw - the Demoniac website does reference Dragonforce, but I've yet to see a Dragonforce site reference Demoniac

 

[urayoan]

Funny story here. Morbid Angel, who I think have put out great musical work, came to Puerto Rico around 6 years ago. Funny, the evil act on stage turned into racist comments toward puertoricans. Next thing you know the crowd went on stage and beat the living crap out of them. The funny side was watching this racist cowards running to avoid getting beaten up. Funny isn't it? Good ol' silly death metal!!!

I don't think there's anything funny about racial prejudice or supremacist crap. Besides there are thousands of bands out there, lots of them waiting to be heard, for me to loose my time listening to good musicians with stupid attitudes or acts. Why would I give my money to Morbid Angel (who are great at what they do, musically speaking), when I can listen to Napalm Death (the godfathers of grindcore) or Obituary, who I know are not just an evil act, but true to themselves and to their fans through their shows and words?

So with this I'll say that my DF's CD's ended up in the trash can.

 

[batmura]

Funny story here. Morbid Angel, who I think have put out great musical work, came to Puerto Rico around 6 years ago. Funny, the evil act on stage turned into racist comments toward puertoricans.

Let me get this right. Morbid Angel came to PR to play a gig and then badmouthed the Puerto Ricans? Out of the blue? Racist remarks? Sorry, but I find that hard to believe.

 

[Jasonic]

Geez, have you people ever heard of something called "shock value"?
Do you honestly believe that the folks in DEMONIAC believe in what they sing about?

Steward Copeland of the POLICE used to be in a "racist" punk band called Klark Kent. Is he racist? No. Was it cool for a young impressionable punk rock kid to be in a controversial band? You bet.

Take it for what it's worth.

Regardless, their involvement in DEMONIAC should not have any bearing on whether or not you support DragonForce.

 

[urayoan]

Let me get this right. Morbid Angel came to PR to play a gig and then badmouthed the Puerto Ricans? Out of the blue? Racist remarks? Sorry, but I find that hard to believe.

The story was covered by the local media. There were about 500 to 700 estimated people on the venue. The people that I've talked to (some of them don't know each other) that attended the show, had different perspectives about the riot, but NONE denied that the comments where racially inflamatory.

 

[urayoan]

Geez, have you people ever heard of something called "shock value"?
Do you honestly believe that the folks in DEMONIAC believe in what they sing about?

Steward Copeland of the POLICE used to be in a "racist" punk band called Klark Kent. Is he racist? No. Was it cool for a young impressionable punk rock kid to be in a controversial band? You bet.

Take it for what it's worth.

Regardless, their involvement in DEMONIAC should not have any bearing on whether or not you support DragonForce.

Like I said before, there are more bands out there. The metal genre is not only Dragonforce or Demoniac. Personally, I will never support a band that members (or the whole band) have been involved with racist lyrics, philosophies, or acts either they believe in what they say or do, or don't.

 

[trentdk]

Therefore, why give a pass to attacks on religion in metal and condemn attacks on race?

Religion is a choice people make.

Race is not.

*cringe* I'll make sure to consider the repercussions of any choice I make in the future... don't want to get persecuted ya know.


Also, has anyone taken a fucking anthropology class in.. I dunno.. the last half of a century? The term "Race" doesn't really apply to us, or at least, not the in the way most of us use it.

 

[Jasonic]

Like I said before, there are more bands out there. The metal genre is not only Dragonforce or Demoniac. Personally, I will never support a band that members (or the whole band) have been involved with racist lyrics, philosophies, or acts either they believe in what they say or do, or don't.

Hey, those are your beliefs and that is totally cool. I am not knocking that at all. Just saying you need to take it for what it's worth. They were involved in an underground black metal band. Herman Li is not a white man. Therefore, you need to question how serious they were about it all.

If the guys were in a skinhead, swastika flag waving band, well then that might be another story....

 

[Jim LotFP]

I'll make sure to consider the repercussions of any choice I make in the future...

I wish people would say this without sarcasm.

 

[Entropiastrife]

Hey, those are your beliefs and that is totally cool. I am not knocking that at all. Just saying you need to take it for what it's worth. They were involved in an underground black metal band. Herman Li is not a white man. Therefore, you need to question how serious they were about it all.

If the guys were in a skinhead, swastika flag waving band, well then that might be another story....

*cringe* I'll make sure to consider the repercussions of any choice I make in the future... don't want to get persecuted ya know.


Also, has anyone taken a fucking anthropology class in.. I dunno.. the last half of a century? The term "Race" doesn't really apply to us, or at least, not the in the way most of us use it.

Listen to these guys. COnsidering that race is a cultural thing, demoniac had a man of hong kong descent in their band, and demoniac where a goofy tongue in cheek shock black metal band, taking some obscure "racist" comments serious is jus dumb. Same deal, like I said, when slayer talk about satan even though the vocalist is a christian. Or when a horror movie talks about evil shit, its just good campy fun.

original album cover of the last demoniac album before being photoshopped into this:

OMG SERIOUS EVIL RACIST BAND THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER

and anyways, dragonforce is all about unicorns and riding on through the night so if you are going to not listen to them because of a members history, you're more ignorant than any racist. Do some research on black metal would ya? Or any "shock rock" band.. jez I'd have hoped after alice cooper, kiss, or mariyln manson people who understand this concept by now. If you are seriously offended by this, get your holier than tou, shit doesn't stink head out of your ass.

 

[kamelotica]

I dont care about their views, I cant believe this band is getting so big and they are so cheesy. Rhapsody is so much better both as songwriters and musicians yet people around here slam them for being cheesy. Even Cellador is better imho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2qY_Rn_qKs


da man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtsHNGSeJ-w&NR

 

[Entropiastrife]

I dont care about their views, I cant believe this band is getting so big and they are so cheesy. Rhapsody is so much better both as songwriters and musicians yet people around here slam them for being cheesy. Even Cellador is better imho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2qY_Rn_qKs


da man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtsHNGSeJ-w&NR

chris didn't show up to his betcha can't play this taping drunk off his ass like the dragonforce dudes, hense why he doesnt say stuff like "pretty sloppy but, fuc-oh still swearing with a glazed look in his eyes". It was dumb of the guys pofessional but if you've even seen them live or a live video you know they can pull their solos off way better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6IoAxx5ptc&mode=related&sear ch=

playing that same stuff LIVE at a dark club

 

[JosephAcevedo]

Overall it's NOT a bad thing if Dragonforce sells alot of records . I hope that the thing with them signed to Roadrunner, mainstage on ozzfest, and shirts being sold at Hot Topic does not compromise their musical direction. Roadrunner isn't exactly known (at least in this day and age) for signing good quality metal. Roadrunner usually follows trends. when metal wasn't very popular in the 90's they ditched all the metal bands and started signing modern rock, nu metal, hardcore, and now they are signing metalcore bands and getting very few metal bands back on their roster.

 

[BABS]

The one GOOD thing that Roadrunner does do is appear to promote the shit out of their bands.

So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for my favs like Opeth and Porcupine Tree. I was hoping they'd pick up Anathema, but I'm not sure if that ever happened or not???

 

[Jim LotFP]

Same deal, like I said, when slayer talk about satan even though the vocalist is a christian.

The Bible talks about Satan too.

Do some research on black metal would ya?

Suicide, three murders in cold blood (two of homosexuals), multiple church burnings, grave desecrations, assaults, arson directed at members of non-black metal bands (Paradise Lost and Therion), plans to kidnap and murder other musicians, serious promotion of racist beliefs.

And that's just Norway/Norwegians.

Heard of Abruptum? Recordings of the "artists" as they cut, burn, and otherwise torture themselves.

To some people, this really isn't a joke and it isn't "show business" at all.

 

[Entropiastrife]

The Bible talks about Satan too.

Ok, but slayer write praise/support for satan, the bible doesn't smart guy

Suicide, three murders in cold blood (two of homosexuals), multiple church burnings, grave desecrations, assaults, arson directed at members of non-black metal bands (Paradise Lost and Therion), plans to kidnap and murder other musicians, serious promotion of racist beliefs.

And that's just Norway/Norwegians.

Heard of Abruptum? Recordings of the "artists" as they cut, burn, and otherwise torture themselves.

To some people, this really isn't a joke and it isn't "show business" at all.

Ok, suicides, murder, and racism can be found in ANY music scene (especially more underground ones). And hardly any significant chuch burnings of desecations have actually happened, since 90% of the time its just a group of idiot kids, not criminal master minds. And you bring up those "arson" attacks, but here is a quote that might help you to realize the ridiculousness of it all:

From burzum.com
"T WAS rumoured that Vikernes had burned down the house of Therion vocalist Kristofer [sic], but the reality is less dramatic.
Kristofer claims Vikernes' girlfriend, Suuvi Puurunen, merely pinned a Burzum album to the rear wall of his house with a knife, then set fire to a small portion of the back door. Kristofer was in Germany at the time.
"I'm not afraid," he sneers. "Count Grishnacht sent his _girlfriend_ over to do his work for him! Who will he send next? His dog?!
British Doom Metal band Paradise Lost were also victims of satanic Terrorist aggression. While on tour in Norway, the band's tour bus was set upon by Black Metal followers.
"They're fucking nuts!" exclaims Paradise Lost singer Nick Holmes, "but the attack on us was blown out of proportion a bit. The little disciples are all about 10 years old - fuckin' embryos!""

And anyways, what do you make of all of the black metal bands with clean records, like Dimmu Borgir, Graveworm, Immortal, Stormlord, Anorexia Nervosa, who have no criminal histories or racism in their lyrics?

In summary, stopping whinng you prude baby, its just music and its just shock value, which works because people like you are around getting your heads caught in your asses over it

 

[Bryan316]

I gotta go poopoo.

Does that make me hate shit?

 

[Jim LotFP]

Ok, suicides, murder, and racism can be found in ANY music scene (especially more underground ones).

So when they happen, they're no big deal and should be ignored?

And hardly any significant chuch burnings of desecations have actually happened

What's your criteria of "significant" then?

since 90% of the time its just a group of idiot kids, not criminal master minds.

Well yeah these guys are idiots. Does that make their crimes less... er... criminal?

And you bring up those "arson" attacks, but here is a quote that might help you to realize the ridiculousness of it all:

So people didn't die. There were still yahoos out there doing these things which were more than showbiz and posturing. Hardly a joke in the haha sense.

And anyways, what do you make of all of the black metal bands with clean records, like Dimmu Borgir, Graveworm, Immortal, Stormlord, Anorexia Nervosa, who have no criminal histories or racism in their lyrics?

What exactly does this have to do with Demoniac? You claimed that black metal's image should be taken as nothing more than "shock rock" with no real menace or meaning. Some bands just like the sound, some bands go further with it. There could be a million bands that have clean records and no racism (and Dimmu's first album was released on No Colours so I'd be cautious about clearing them of any such thing without examining that situation more closely), but all I have to do is show one example of a band that wasn't just posturing to show that such a band could exist.

In summary, stopping whinng you prude baby, its just music and its just shock value, which works because people like you are around getting your heads caught in your asses over it

Gee, sorry. I'll just go back to pissing all over Dragonforce for just being complete shit.

 

[Bryan316]

Nevermind the previous hooplah about opening for Dragonforce.