Drum editing Nuendo Versus Protools

[tgs]

In what way is it easier exactly? Is it because of that Beat Detective thing?

 

[88mph]

In what way is it easier exactly? Is it because of that Beat Detective thing?

Nope. Actually Beat Detective is not a big deal after all in screwed up drums. Cos you have like 13 channels to edit/quantize, and leaving this work to a software isn't healthy solution after all.

In PT, you can cut, trim regions, move 'em, crossfade etc. at the same time. Believe me, this will buy you tons of time. In Cubase, you have to press some button for all those shit, so it takes longer to finish your work.

 

[88mph]

...and of course it's boring

 

[tgs]

Nope. Actually Beat Detective is not a big deal after all in screwed up drums. Cos you have like 13 channels to edit/quantize, and leaving this work to a software isn't healthy solution after all.

In PT, you can cut, trim regions, move 'em, crossfade etc. at the same time. Believe me, this will buy you tons of time. In Cubase, you have to press some button for all those shit, so it takes longer to finish your work.

Sounds cool! I might look into getting an interface then, since I usually spend at least a couple of days on drum editing. It works pretty well with folder tracks though, but still, quite tedious.

 

[felipe-x]

in nuendo is much faster period.

 

[Ermz]

^ I hear this all the time, but I've yet to ever see or experience any proof. IMO, ProTools is the unbeaten king of editing efficiency. You are EVERYWHERE AT ONCE if you know the shortcuts. I've been using Cubase for years before PT, and I stumble around in it like a klutz simply because the workflow and UI is so unintuitive. As soon as PT becomes hardware independent, I'm all over it... Does Reaper at least come close?

 

[88mph]

^ I hear this all the time, but I've yet to ever see or experience any proof. IMO, ProTools is the unbeaten king of editing efficiency. You are EVERYWHERE AT ONCE if you know the shortcuts. I've been using Cubase for years before PT, and I stumble around in it like a klutz simply because the workflow and UI is so unintuitive. As soon as PT becomes hardware independent, I'm all over it... Does Reaper at least come close?

Never tried Reaper but I once tried editing drums in Logic and was nearly going insane. If you know the Daw, it's no big deal but if you try to use it like pro-tools, you could end up using unwanted takes.

Also, Felipe, I really wonder how Cubendo is easier than PT. I'm not kiddin' . Really, if there's a simple way to do it, I'd like know.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

Nope. Actually Beat Detective is not a big deal after all in screwed up drums. Cos you have like 13 channels to edit/quantize, and leaving this work to a software isn't healthy solution after all.

In PT, you can cut, trim regions, move 'em, crossfade etc. at the same time. Believe me, this will buy you tons of time. In Cubase, you have to press some button for all those shit, so it takes longer to finish your work.

not true.
don#t get me wrong, I'm not saying Cubase is better than PT (HD), but what you descibe can be done in Cubase exactly like it's done in PT...with the same amount of key-hits.
I prefer Cubase to LE (not HD) because it's easier to handle all crossfades at once..
if you've got all your hits edited and crossfaded you can just select all the tracks and by moving one fade you'll move all the fades..that way I'm usually moving all xfades a wee bit to the left to reduce unclean edits (on the transient of the snare etc).
after slicing, if you just hit "x" and the tracks are crossfaded Cubase will automatically do the "smoothing".
both the mentioned things work perfectly fine in HD (or in LE with the production toolkit) bith BD.
but it's the same (and as fast) in cubase.
it's a pain in the ass (compared to HD ot Cubase) to edit drums in LE without the production toolkit though (that's why I'm still editing in Cubase...I'll make the switch to HD2 in the near future though, and I'm really looking forward to it.
What I HATE about drumediting in cubase is that you can only quantize 100% unless you take some twisted backwards approach.

so to sum it up I'd say for drumediting:

PT HD>>Cubase4>PT LE

but this discussion has been here way too often already....and I'd still say I'm as fast in Cubase as others in PT, I don't wanna argue about PT HD being superior, I'm just fed up with hearing "cubase is so counter-intuitive" (it's the other way round for other people..subjective thing) and "you can't do this and that in Cubase..unless you wanna do 4 times the keystrokes" etc, cause that's just plain WRONG.
You can do exactly the same with the same amount of keystrokes.
what's easier for you is still (and will be) a matter of preference.
I prefer Cubase4 to PT LE (by FAR), but I'm looking forward to getting PT HD and am pretty sure that I won't look back after having gotten used to it.

 

[Ermz]

What's the quickest method for editing multitrack drums in Cubase? Does it require self-created keyboard shortcuts (as most features in Cubase seem to not have defaults)?

 

[HeadCrusher]

not true.
don#t get me wrong, I'm not saying Cubase is better than PT (HD), but what you descibe can be done in Cubase exactly like it's done in PT...with the same amount of key-hits.
I prefer Cubase to LE (not HD) because it's easier to handle all crossfades at once..
if you've got all your hits edited and crossfaded you can just select all the tracks and by moving one fade you'll move all the fades..that way I'm usually moving all xfades a wee bit to the left to reduce unclean edits (on the transient of the snare etc).
after slicing, if you just hit "x" and the tracks are crossfaded Cubase will automatically do the "smoothing".
both the mentioned things work perfectly fine in HD (or in LE with the production toolkit) bith BD.
but it's the same (and as fast) in cubase.
it's a pain in the ass (compared to HD ot Cubase) to edit drums in LE without the production toolkit though (that's why I'm still editing in Cubase...I'll make the switch to HD2 in the near future though, and I'm really looking forward to it.
What I HATE about drumediting in cubase is that you can only quantize 100% unless you take some twisted backwards approach.

so to sum it up I'd say for drumediting:

PT HD>>Cubase4>PT LE

but this discussion has been here way too often already....and I'd still say I'm as fast in Cubase as others in PT, I don't wanna argue about PT HD being superior, I'm just fed up with hearing "cubase is so counter-intuitive" (it's the other way round for other people..subjective thing) and "you can't do this and that in Cubase..unless you wanna do 4 times the keystrokes" etc, cause that's just plain WRONG.
You can do exactly the same with the same amount of keystrokes.
what's easier for you is still (and will be) a matter of preference.
I prefer Cubase4 to PT LE (by FAR), but I'm looking forward to getting PT HD and am pretty sure that I won't look back after having gotten used to it.

Hi Lasse, could you please explain your method of editing drums in Cubase (or post a link). I've spent quite some time searching the forum but I couldn't seem to find something useful.
Thanks in advance.

 

[ahjteam]

How to quantize multitrack drums by hand

 

[Splat88]

What I HATE about drumediting in cubase is that you can only quantize 100% unless you take some twisted backwards approach.

Yeah, that's my only bitch about editing in Cubase.

I'm just fed up with hearing "cubase is so counter-intuitive" (it's the other way round for other people..subjective thing) and "you can't do this and that in Cubase..unless you wanna do 4 times the keystrokes" etc, cause that's just plain WRONG.
You can do exactly the same with the same amount of keystrokes.

+1. I agree 100%.

 

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

I used Cubase for years, and when I switched to ProTools and first checked out it's drum editing capabilities, I felt really dumb. I was pretty much flying through it in a matter of minutes, compared to how clumsy I felt in Cubase.

I really don't see the reason for the big rant about LE being inferior to Cubase. I'm using M-Powered, and while it doesn't have multitrack BD, I've found Elastic Audio to fit my needs very well. It can sound worse when doing drastic edits, though.