Is anyone else following the events in Egypt? I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread about this.
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Mubarak is the current president in Egypt. Technically the government is a democracy, but Mubarak has held "emergency powers" for the last 30 years, which has allowed him to suspend civil rights, arrest political enemies, regulate the press, etc. Working conditions are terrible, one cannot run a legitimate business because of the corruption, and tons of people are starving.
The US has supported Egypt through all this because the Mubarak government supports (at least kind of) Israel, and the government isn't crazy-religious like Iran.
Since last week the people have been protesting, and now there are millions of demonstrators in Cairo and the surrounding cities. Citizens burned the NDP (Mubarak's political party) headquarters, and have generally raised hell. The police were killing people earlier in the week, but the army has stepped in to keep the peace, which has helped.
Mubarak said today he would step down in September when the regularly scheduled elections are to occur, but people want him gone now. This is understandable because during the last election he "won" something like 95% of the vote, which is obviously bullshit.
The US has supported Egypt through all this because the Mubarak government supports (at least kind of) Israel, and the government isn't crazy-religious like Iran.
Since last week the people have been protesting, and now there are millions of demonstrators in Cairo and the surrounding cities. Citizens burned the NDP (Mubarak's political party) headquarters, and have generally raised hell. The police were killing people earlier in the week, but the army has stepped in to keep the peace, which has helped.
Mubarak said today he would step down in September when the regularly scheduled elections are to occur, but people want him gone now. This is understandable because during the last election he "won" something like 95% of the vote, which is obviously bullshit.
nialldoran
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ive been glued to this, seems everyone just had enough and after the tunsia incident egypt wanted in on the freedom, i hope Mubarak steps down and takes his family with him their was talk of his son taking over if he stood down due to the riots but i think at this stage no one would be having that,
esentially they need the current government out and replaced with a democrtic government, there has also be talks of Mubarak stepping down after he sets up a cabinet to run the country when he leaves, same party=same problem, either everythng is guna change for them or nohing will, and all this started via facebook talk about a 21st century revolution,
due to these riots ive heard rumors of something similar spreading through syria, another country in dire need of freedom as that truely is a case of the minority ruling the majority, plus metal is forbidden there
esentially they need the current government out and replaced with a democrtic government, there has also be talks of Mubarak stepping down after he sets up a cabinet to run the country when he leaves, same party=same problem, either everythng is guna change for them or nohing will, and all this started via facebook talk about a 21st century revolution,
due to these riots ive heard rumors of something similar spreading through syria, another country in dire need of freedom as that truely is a case of the minority ruling the majority, plus metal is forbidden there
DanLights
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They're doing what my country should do, we've been in a similar situation for 10 years now, I suppose it'll have to be 20 more for that to happen.
No I'm not speaking about Spain of course
No I'm not speaking about Spain of course
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El_Gato
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Walk like an egyptian!!!
Jokes aside, all the best for them. They were inspired by other countries and now they're encouraging some others so much that even China is silencing all the info about that. Just in case chinese youth realize they can change the dictatorship system.
We got the power!
(Oh, another song title
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Jokes aside, all the best for them. They were inspired by other countries and now they're encouraging some others so much that even China is silencing all the info about that. Just in case chinese youth realize they can change the dictatorship system.
We got the power!
(Oh, another song title
)
nialldoran
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Yeah its a crazy situation after mubaraks speech last night the protest in cairo went crazy today thousands of pro and anti rioters fist fighting in the streets and it looked like it was raining rocks at some points,
about a hundred people were killed in the last week during the protest but it was the police that did the murdering, now its guna be the people of egypt which is just sad, thye had briliant peacefull protests yesterday but when mubarak announced he isnt leaving till september shit got real
the one thing i didnt expect was that the amount of pro mubarak protesters, are outnumbering the anti protesters, after like 30 years of "emergency powers" you think they would all want rid of him
about a hundred people were killed in the last week during the protest but it was the police that did the murdering, now its guna be the people of egypt which is just sad, thye had briliant peacefull protests yesterday but when mubarak announced he isnt leaving till september shit got real
the one thing i didnt expect was that the amount of pro mubarak protesters, are outnumbering the anti protesters, after like 30 years of "emergency powers" you think they would all want rid of him
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^^^that's true in part because the actual reason is the high raise in the price of basic food. And this is a problem they cannot solve as it comes from outside.
But they're definitely demanding more than that, not only political changes by switching one by another but democracy and less corruption. That, and the fact they have internet and are more organized now than the previous revolts in 2008, drove them into this.
But they're definitely demanding more than that, not only political changes by switching one by another but democracy and less corruption. That, and the fact they have internet and are more organized now than the previous revolts in 2008, drove them into this.
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This cycle perpetuates. As was said above. Down with the current monster, in with the new monster.
Government will never be a system that will serve the people, so until Society as we know it collapses (which is an inevitability,) and stays that way (not so much of an inevitability,) the cycle will continue.
I personally plan on getting out of society, living in the woods, growing my own goddamn vegetables and leaving society to it.
Government will never be a system that will serve the people, so until Society as we know it collapses (which is an inevitability,) and stays that way (not so much of an inevitability,) the cycle will continue.
I personally plan on getting out of society, living in the woods, growing my own goddamn vegetables and leaving society to it.
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It'll never happen chief, although not for lack of trying on your part
If you have a piece of land, you'll pay taxes on that land. That's just the very least of it ... it'll never be 12th century again ... as much as the muslims and christians would like it to be
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I know the people in Egypt want democracy and less corruption. I just don't think that is going to be the end result.
Here is political history in a nut shell. A small group of people make up the upper class (group A). Some of the middle class (group B) want to move up the latter, so they get the large poor underclass (group C) to revolt with promises of freedom. Then when the its all over groub B tramples the poor back down and is the new group A. Now repeat for thousands of years.
I am not saying this is good. I just think that 5 years from now Egypt will have a government as bad or worse than the current one.
Here is political history in a nut shell. A small group of people make up the upper class (group A). Some of the middle class (group B) want to move up the latter, so they get the large poor underclass (group C) to revolt with promises of freedom. Then when the its all over groub B tramples the poor back down and is the new group A. Now repeat for thousands of years.
I am not saying this is good. I just think that 5 years from now Egypt will have a government as bad or worse than the current one.
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The things I have wanted in my existence have generally found their way to me. I shall find some way to do it. \o/
If I think about any of this shit rationally, it, of course, starts unravelling before my very eyes, but rational thought never got me anywhere.
If I wanna make my life a certain way, I make it that way, rationality be damned.
If I think about any of this shit rationally, it, of course, starts unravelling before my very eyes, but rational thought never got me anywhere.
If I wanna make my life a certain way, I make it that way, rationality be damned.
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That's the attitude they want us to have. The "fuck it all, I quit, it's all the same".
Well, no. Would you change your rights with theirs right now? So, there's a huge difference between one shit and another. There are tight shits and there's diarrhea. The difference is that tight shit allow us to walk without the fear of getting full of shit at any moment.
Well, no. Would you change your rights with theirs right now? So, there's a huge difference between one shit and another. There are tight shits and there's diarrhea. The difference is that tight shit allow us to walk without the fear of getting full of shit at any moment.
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hmmm since i'm israely i might me the one most affected by this......
but so far nothing's changed around here
btw jordan also disbanded it's government after a couple of riots "just in case"...
which means that so fat in a month 3 arabic countries have gone from subtle dictatorship to extreme-islam oriented democracy....
which is not a good thing.....
hopefully someone senseable will take charge and MAYBE all those changes will lead to something good and not to world war 3.....
i'll end with a qoute:
Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don't understand
Fools like me, who cross the sea
And come to foreign lands
Ask the sheep, for their beliefs
Do you kill on God's command?
A country that's divided
Surely will not stand
My past erased, no more disgrace
No foolish naive stand
The end is near, it's crystal clear
Part of the master plan
Don't look now to Israel
It might be in your homelands
MegaDeth - Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
but so far nothing's changed around here
btw jordan also disbanded it's government after a couple of riots "just in case"...
which means that so fat in a month 3 arabic countries have gone from subtle dictatorship to extreme-islam oriented democracy....
which is not a good thing.....
hopefully someone senseable will take charge and MAYBE all those changes will lead to something good and not to world war 3.....
i'll end with a qoute:
Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don't understand
Fools like me, who cross the sea
And come to foreign lands
Ask the sheep, for their beliefs
Do you kill on God's command?
A country that's divided
Surely will not stand
My past erased, no more disgrace
No foolish naive stand
The end is near, it's crystal clear
Part of the master plan
Don't look now to Israel
It might be in your homelands
MegaDeth - Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
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Can you tell us some extreme-muslim governments created from a subtle dictatorship?
Because I thought they are doing exactly the opposite.
Better yet, can you tell me one extreme-muslim democracy?
I know it affected you before because Egypt was on your side along with the USA, but being the US one of the pushers for the change now, I fail to see in what aspect can this be a turn to the extreme instead of democracy or affect you in a bad way.
Because I thought they are doing exactly the opposite.
Better yet, can you tell me one extreme-muslim democracy?
I know it affected you before because Egypt was on your side along with the USA, but being the US one of the pushers for the change now, I fail to see in what aspect can this be a turn to the extreme instead of democracy or affect you in a bad way.
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