amarshism
Member
You have to reverse the panning so you're hearing gtrl on the right side delayed by a bit and vice versa.
Emulating PCM42 trick ITB
- Thread starter Ermz
- Start date
I'd need to hear it to make a guess (I've never knowingly heard the trick - had to google it to find out what you were on about).
The inverse L/R eq thing is one way to get a bit of psychoacoustic spread on gtr's so you could be right.
Folding to mono and also listening to the difference signal on one of these mixes should be able to give some clues I would have thought.
So what's a track with this going on I can check out?
amarshism
Member
amarshism
Member
After you mentioned it ermz I got it off iTunes and had a listen and then in mono and the cancellation was nuts. I referenced a few other things that didn't sound as wide and then in mono and struggled to find another mix with as much cancellation.
Melodeath
Moonbow
Cool. Just through my own initial tests, it seems to me that they have, as I seem to be getting some soft limiting. However, it is possible this is an artifact of something else. I need to test more tomorrow. Let me know what PSP says, though
Shirley you jest.
Are you takin the piss at the expense of the new guy?
Nah, thanks, I'll have a sniff.
And here's the response from PSP: 'Hi,
The input limiter hasn't been modelled faithfully. Sorry... We might add it in future updates, since many people ask for it.'
Dang. I think it's time to start hammering their e-mail with more requests guys.
The input limiter hasn't been modelled faithfully. Sorry... We might add it in future updates, since many people ask for it.'
Dang. I think it's time to start hammering their e-mail with more requests guys.
amarshism
Member
Shirley you jest.
Are you takin the piss at the expense of the new guy?
Nah, thanks, I'll have a sniff.
Huh?
as far as ive always heard the delay is at 0. Its the sound of the limiter distorting that adds gain and the gain is right in the upper note range, it focuses the tone in a very in your face way. The L1 doesn't do it right....the sony inflator can though. Its gotta sound like a really cheap limiter, maybe an old boss rackmount limiter, but it can't be grabby. Ive also heard of people using modified dolby noise reducers to add gain but its more in the higher regions.
the haas effect thing of delaying the signal 20 to 30 ms is cool but can sound chorusy, like the harmonics on Burn My Eyes. Micropitchshift on an eventide or symphonic on an spx90 do the same thing with some pitchshifting......which is the probably the chorus on gtrs the CLA is talking about too.
the haas effect thing of delaying the signal 20 to 30 ms is cool but can sound chorusy, like the harmonics on Burn My Eyes. Micropitchshift on an eventide or symphonic on an spx90 do the same thing with some pitchshifting......which is the probably the chorus on gtrs the CLA is talking about too.
Melodeath
Moonbow
That sucks. I hope they will indeed update it. I'm going to test more today, but I'm pretty sure the input is doing at least soft limiting, if not a "faithful emulation"
Maybe I'm dense but after listening to All the Right Reasons I don't know what I'm listening for in regards to the PCM42 thing. Has it been documented that this technique is used on there?
Generally I hear hard panned double tracked gtrs played and tuned tighter than a whatsits whatsit with possibly a little flip flop attenuated delay action here and there for space creation. And loads of that can go right about there and do exactly that thankyou very much engineering chops obviously.
The disappearance in mono thing appears to me to be because there are no 9&3 or 10&2 gtrs, just hard panned L/R gtrs.
I don't hear anything untoward in the difference signal either.
What am I missing? The voodoo clearly
Generally I hear hard panned double tracked gtrs played and tuned tighter than a whatsits whatsit with possibly a little flip flop attenuated delay action here and there for space creation. And loads of that can go right about there and do exactly that thankyou very much engineering chops obviously.
The disappearance in mono thing appears to me to be because there are no 9&3 or 10&2 gtrs, just hard panned L/R gtrs.
I don't hear anything untoward in the difference signal either.
What am I missing? The voodoo clearly
kev
Im guybrush threepwood
Might be more apparent on the long road. It sounded like little slap back delays on the guitars. Check "throw yourself away" I think, and there was one other on the album where it was quite easily audible.
xFkx
gain induction
I'm kinda sceptical if this could be pulled off ITB, most plugins work really adequate when they're in the safe zone so to say, it's when you push them harder they fall short off their hardware counterparts.
Similar threads
