ENGL Fireball w/GUITARHACKS IMPULSE(S)!!

Sorry to dig this ole thread up but CJ, do you have a raw single guitar track of this clip?
I'd like to see if I'm going in the right direction with my results...
And what do you usually cut/boost on the URS EQ?
 
Hey man.
tone sounds awesome from impulses especially!
i was gonna ask, could you shed some more light on your chain of inserts etc for that guitar?

i have the sonalksis eq and comp ( forgot the names :lol:) and would like to see where your punch comes from.. like what eq settings, what maximiser settings, what settings on master buss...


It's my humble opinion that too many folk on this website are too walk about with settings.. i mean, we are here to share and learn right? and i dunno when people say like " a boost or cut around 6hkz - 8khz".. it just strikes me as pointless. if they said "i use a -3db cut at 5046hz with a Q of .9 in sonalksis eq with multiband compressor on the master buss at these settings *shows screen capture*" then people could actually learn :/

i think its actually down to too many engineers being selfish and not willing to tell all. ((and yes i am fully aware that some people do. IE when andy posted the C4 settings was a good start))

FYI this isn't aimed at anyone in particular so dont worry :rock:
Just be nice to get a decent insight for a change :)

but yeah i digress.. can you shed any light on how you got the guitars to that sound?
 
hey kezspez.
Hmm, the point is, will it help to get you the tone the way you want it to be?
What I mean is, what works for others doesn't have to work for you. I know that, I've been there myself^^
I've analyzed a LOT of clips these days and I've come to the conclusion that it's the mix itself that makes it so punchy, thick.
Now, some may laugh now but I had to go a loooong way before I started to understand that.
Basically I can get a good guitar sound, a good drum sound, a good bass sound... when SOLOED!
Once I have them to fit in a mix I blow it up. Usually too much low- or highend, most of the time both :(
There's so many factors where I can improve but I'm satisfied with the progression I'm doing so far and I am so thankful, so grateful for each and every tip on this forum!
Each and every day I'm learning some new stuff and every time I'm amazed I didn't realize it the day before...

My point is, I know what you want to say but to say it short: Learn to trust your ears and keep trying and trying.
There are million ways to get a good tone, there's not just one :)
 
oh i totally agree. i know i am the same, on its own it will sound great ,but shit in the mix.
I am not a complete newbie haha i've been doing this stuff for about 2 years now..
and i am always tinkering and playing this and messing with that and impulse this and argh you know what i mean..
i want to develop an understanding and apply it, for sure!
but i want to be led by example. If i can see visually whats making what sound like i how, i will understand.

You get me?
i am not out to steal production or stuff, but it just seems odd how little people actually want to help. I have met several people in my time who tell me its cus they think i should learn by trial and error/experience but really they just didnt want to give up their golden secrets >: /

I know i will learn through experience eventually, but i keep making the same mistakes at the moment, this track in my eyes irons them all out. i'd love for someone like CJ to do a walktrhough or post images of eqs and comps so we can SEE how its done and learn from it. There'll be less weak POD tones with pci midi drums in the world ;)
 
i think aswell cus i am just bitter, everything i read on these forums, i kinda.. know already.. that sounds more ego than intentional. Like when people say "shelf 12khz+ for less fizz etc" it strikes me as common sense. Just putting it in practise, everyhing seems really shallow but up front.. like this clip of CJ has that proffesional.. condensed sound.. to it ... have i lost you? haha
it sounds punchy and powerful and not like its all over the spectrum.
Mine sound as full of life as a shoe box and yet have more low/hi end.. its really odd.

Sucking sucks.
 
I hear ya.
Well, sorry to disappoint you but to tell you the truth: the golden secret is that there is no secret.
Have you read that "tutorial" Slipperman wrote some time back?
It's incredibly detailed...

BUT, just knowing how to EQ things right won't give you what you're looking for.

What guitar are you using, what pickups does it have, are the strings new? What kind of pick are you playing with?
Is your technique tight, where do you hit the strings. It starts here. And it ends with the master.
Directly compare your results to the ones other mortal people post.
You can always reference your mixes with professional ones, nothing wrong with that but keep in mind
they're doing this stuff for decades! Go little steps and you'll improve. Slowly alright. But you'll improve.
Even CJ has done his shit for years. And when he says he's not tight playing some riffs he's still 100x tighter than I am.
He's not saying that because he wants to make us all look like morons but because he knows that he can still improve, he can do better (if he wants to).
Consistancy. Can't say it often enough. Consistancy is the key. I'm having more downs than ups but I'm not giving up.
The more results I get sounding shitty the more my ears get trained to differ between good/clean/tight/punchy and shitty crap ;)
Sure there's often the situation where I just want to jump out of the window but hey, that's part of the learning process.
Noone is keeping golden secrets here, I don't think so. It's all a matter of talent (how fast and efficient you learn) and experience. No magic there.
I can't even listen to mixes I did last week (which sounded great then!) after all the stuff I've learned SINCE then.
Expose yourself. Show your weaknesses and I'm sure others will help, because most certainly they've stumbled across the same problems...

You have to put all those tiny pieces together to get THAT sound everybody is killing for...
It's all here on this forum and other places, just read, read and keep reading till your eyes bleed.
Then sit down and experiment. There's something others can't give you: Experience.
You have to absorb everything and then put it to practice. See where it gets you.
Focus on little things and try to improve them. There's always room for improvement, everywhere.
It takes time and good ears. Train them. I could focus on a tight lowend for several years and there would still be a possibility to tune here and there.
 
@ abyss

I totally agree. I just get so worked up when some days i listen to things and go "ahh thats sounding much better!!" then i either a.) listen to something by sneap etc or b.) listen to it the next day when my ears have rested and as you said "want to jump out of a window".

I think aswell its encouraging but crushing to see that CJ uses very similar equipment to me (same plug ins, impulses) and i got a Schecter C1 Hellraiser with EMG 81/85 so i should be easily tackling "metal" tones. thats why i'd love for people to post more detailed settings. Of course i'd have to apply it to my own tastes but it'd be fantastic referencing. But thanks for your insight :) It certainly made me get off the window sil ;)

Oh you mentioned about"It's all here on this forum and other places, just read, read and keep reading till your eyes bleed.", can you recommend any other good sources?

@CJ

Hey bro, hope my previous wafflings dont seem insulting or anything to you.. i highly respect what you have done and am incredibly jealous :notworthy

I was wondering if you could shed any insight onto the Addictive Drums... did you replace any with triggers? Did you use any inbuilt processing? any tips for such a punchy yet compact sound ((hard to describe.. it sounds big, but not like its got energy accross the WHOLE audio spectrum))?

Anything is greatly received of course, i'm just getting pissed off at having no real improvement for the last like year haha
 
@ ScarSymmetry

Impulses have been heavily documented over the forum, but as a quick recap are very short wave files that represent the frequency analysis of (i think) a tone swept through a peice of equipment. In this case, Cabinets and microphones.

Essentially when you run a direct signal into these impulses, what you hear is a carbon copy of the sound the mic would have picked up had you run through the cab and into mic for real.

GuitarHack happened to be a sick member of this forum who made his own and posted them here. Many people found them great and use them to produce magic such as the above ;)
How on earth CJ got addictive drums and GHI to sound that good is beyond me. I always fall short on guitar impulses.. just sounds flat and lifeless :/
 
CJ, on multiple listens, i am really digging your drum sound.. I waiting for AD to come through and wondered if you have any presets youd be willing to share?:notworthy

Or anyone for that matter!
 
SIR is on. Without it, the sound is a whole lot more piercing.

Edit:
Here's two clips:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhau/no-SIR.mp3
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhau/with-SIR.mp3

The only processing is L2 on the master channel (0.0 dB threshold, -0.2 dB level). The SIR impulse is GH's BBAC-Half.wav

Edit2:

Oh whoops. I forgot that by default SIR plays both the Dry and Wet signal almost equally :blush: Now it sounds more like it with Dry signal off :lol:

could you reup these please? im interested in hearing them.


I tried using the impulses with the JCM800 last night and results are pretty shitty