TwizstedJesus
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I've seen a few clips,and I'll say that Amanda has been an impressive fill in for Simone,but Epica is Simone,like Nightwish is Tarja...without it just isn't the same.
Epica show last night proved why Amanda is the coach and Simone is the student!
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I might add one more thing..
Amanda never once rehearsed with the band prior to the tour, just so everyone is aware of that. Their first "practice" was their first 'live' show together on this tour. On top of that, they had only one sound check before they came to Florida. That's 26 days with one sound check. I agree that because Epica IS Simone's band and she recorded the album and played all of their live shows together, there is more kick in that corner. She is used to performing with them so they are a stronger unit with her, but my friend Paula who saw their first show and came to Florida and is seeing each one after, even said Amanda's performance had gotten MUCH better since the first time. Amanda admitted being a nervous wreck during the beginning due to no rehearsals or sound checks what so ever. I don't know who else could pull that off so well, though. She is the perfect stand in singer. Vocally, she is supreme.
Amanda should be the next Nightwish vocalist, IMO.There was no better choice nor no other choice than Amanda for this gig!
That is exactly what I was thinking at the show too!
rms
Active Member
I have been to all Progpowers since the second one. I was not dissing Simone. "Comparing" does not mean one is no good, the other one is all good.
No doubt, dude.
Wrongo! Amanda would be perfect for Nightwish if YOU ran the band. Anette is perfect for what Tuomas wants to do with Nightwish. If Amanda was the perfect fit, he would have picked her instead. "Nuff said.
Amanda is one of the best singers around! I have never seen her live, but I really like her projects. I like Epica too as well, but Simone has some trouble singing in key. She is getting better every time though, but she still has some technical issues to overcome.
booB
Señor Member
I find it hilarious that, just a year or two ago, people were praising Epica and Simone for being the second coming, and now everyone thinks that Simone is frequently off-key and that Amanda is sooooo much better.
BlackRoseMetalHeart
Metal Mistress
Are people not allowed to change their opinions when new information is brought before them?
If all you had ever eaten was cheeseburgers and you loved them and declared them the best food ever, and then one day someone gives you filet mignon and you say "Wow, this is way better then a cheeseburger!" Does that mean you now hate cheeseburgers? No, but you can certainly now change your opinion that one is tastier than the other because you've now had the opportunity to try both.
I loved Epica at ProgPower. In fact, I've loved them every time I've seen them. Does that mean when a different singer comes along with Epica as a fill-in who blows me out of the water like Amanda did the other night that I'm going to completely ignore that? No. Does that mean I should not comment on how that other singer was significantly better than someone I already thought was awesome, and now I maybe only think of as good, because I have a new spectrum for comparison?
I don't think changing you position on something makes you a hypocrite if it involves a change in mind because you've learned something new.
If all you had ever eaten was cheeseburgers and you loved them and declared them the best food ever, and then one day someone gives you filet mignon and you say "Wow, this is way better then a cheeseburger!" Does that mean you now hate cheeseburgers? No, but you can certainly now change your opinion that one is tastier than the other because you've now had the opportunity to try both.
I loved Epica at ProgPower. In fact, I've loved them every time I've seen them. Does that mean when a different singer comes along with Epica as a fill-in who blows me out of the water like Amanda did the other night that I'm going to completely ignore that? No. Does that mean I should not comment on how that other singer was significantly better than someone I already thought was awesome, and now I maybe only think of as good, because I have a new spectrum for comparison?
I don't think changing you position on something makes you a hypocrite if it involves a change in mind because you've learned something new.
There is some truth to your final statement, but........ this arguement is one that I've heard from people who LOVED metal as teenagers, only to turn their back on the music years later because they "matured". They found other music that opened their eyes to something different, and now metal is stupid. I just have a problem with people jumping on the bandwagon for a fill-in performer. I LOVED seeing Henning Basse perform with Firewind, but I wouldn't come out and say "Henning should be the singer for Firewind 'cos he's better than Apollo!" No, because Apollo is a damn fine singer.....he is THE singer for Firewind.
BTW....I don't think anyone would be saying any of this if Simone had not been sick. In fact, I'm pretty sure there would have been non-stop praise for her.
Just my opinion!
BTW....I don't think anyone would be saying any of this if Simone had not been sick. In fact, I'm pretty sure there would have been non-stop praise for her.
Just my opinion!
BlackRoseMetalHeart
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Yes, but I have found that those types of people (cause I know a few too) only now think "metal is stupid" because all they ever listened to was metal that was in the mainstream or what was force fed to them as popular, because metal used to be popular (or at least some of it did). If they really examined both sides of the story they might see that some of their favorite bands that they used to "love" are still making great music, as well as new bands with similar styles. But more than likely they are probably only seeing all of the nu metal, metalcore and death metal that is put out in the mainstream view and so they think metal is nothing like what it used to be and therefore no good. Maybe that's just my expereince but I've run into quite a few of these types.
Likewise, I don't think Amanda should (permanently) replace Simone ... and neither does Amanda from what I gathered at the show the other night. I wouldn't say that Epica needs to replace Simone with Amanda and I don't think I've seen anyone else on this thread say that (although perhaps I missed it). Simone is the voice (and the face) that the members of Epica wanted and we should respect what they want to do with their own band. Besides that, I think if Amanda wanted to be the permanent lead singer for a metal band she would have already done it by now. That shouldn't stop folks from saying that that they like her as a singer better than Simone. I saw a lot of folks on the original thread singing Amanda's praises before they even saw her live with Epica. Now that they have seen both singers perform some of the same songs with the same band, they probably feel like they have a more even ground for comparison, thus any flaw Simone has in her vocal ability (no matter how small) may stand out a lot more now when held up against another vocalist like Amanda.
And the thing is Amanda isn't just some "fill-in performer." She's a respected singer in the underground metal community with lots of credentials, not to mention she's the one who coached Simone how to sing in the first place. In any discussion there are going to be people who just sway whatever way the wind blows, but in this instance I truly think that most people are just commenting on how impressed they were by a singer who they would not have been as familiar with otherwise, particularly in a live setting.
Sure, if Simone had toured with Epica this time, people would have praised her because they love Epica and her voice is the one that they recognize as the voice of that band. They wouldn't question it because that's what they are used to and expect from that band. And your right, if Simone hadn't been sick and hadn't missed the tour, a lot of folks never would have checked out Amanda Somerville and had a new basis for comparison.
booB
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Certainly. However, what I see happening is that pretty much *everybody* who was an Epica fan was worshipping Simone... she had a perfect voice, and could basically do no wrong. Now, after Amanda's performances with the band, suddenly Simone is frequently off-key, and very inexperienced as a vocalist, and it's obvious why "one is the teacher and one is the student".
I suppose I just shouldn't have said anything.
No doubt that Amanda was really good with Epica, I wouldn't argue against that (though she technically is still a "fill-in".... 
). I just thought that there seemed to be a bit of "pig-piling on Simone" going on. I didn't think that was fair to her. That's it!
). I just thought that there seemed to be a bit of "pig-piling on Simone" going on. I didn't think that was fair to her. That's it!
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I have to wonder why people think Amanda should be the Nightwish singer. You do realize she she has a ton of other things going and could never dedicate herself full time to a project like Epica or Nightwish with the constant touring, right? It takes more than just good vocals. Which is why the people thinking Sarah Brightman was going to take a few steps back in her career to front Nightwish were totally off their rocker.
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