Exactly how common is/was the use of vocal tuning? When did it start to become a norm

[Menthal]

I seriously apologize for my previous statements.
Auto tune rules.
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[Full_Tilt]

 

[Full_Tilt]

I don't see tuning as being the same as Eq or Compression. Eq and compression only effect the tone and dynamics of a performance. Tuning fixes the performance.

Sure eq and dynamics fix the performance too, but only in a very subtle way.

Have not read all the way through the whole thread too many posts but yours seems spot on .
If you can tell auto tune is being used then its garbage as far as im concerned . And thats the problem every pop singer almost seems happy to use it as an FX rather than an invisible aid ,I dont know if thats even possible ....in any case its the most modern cliche.

 

[egan.]

It is absolutely possible to use AT transparently on a generally good performance, but I agree that the sound of AT is in style (and I don't mean t-pain, I mean "regular" singing) so most pop and radio rock uses it obviously intentionally.

 

[colonel kurtz]

to answer the actual question...

autotune is pretty damn common now, and started popping up all over in the late 90s

first autotune plug for PT came out in 97...cher used it in that one song in 98, and then all the bubblegum bullshit like britney spears, backstreet boys, etc. got the autotune treatment. from there shit spread like mad.

 

[Seth Munson]

kinda a little rant and not directed towards anyone

but if you dont like AT and want that "live" or "raw" feel why not do FOH or run sound for a karaoke or something, you can get all the rawness you're looking for there and you will never have those "we will fix it in the mix" situations.

my view on it is, If I have an awesome singer (maybe even the best in the area) he is not going to be perfect. now why would I want to settle for anything less than perfect?

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

In b4 "because it's imperfections that make it sound human MANNNNN" :Spin:

 

[Full_Tilt]

I think the gripe most people have with it is that it sounds cheap as an effect.
I prefer things like vocoders ( multiple intrument applications ) can make your voice sound like anything i.e more of an effect and less of a spastic aid .

 

[Full_Tilt]

my view on it is, If I have an awesome singer (maybe even the best in the area) he is not going to be perfect. now why would I want to settle for anything less than perfect?

As a producer trying to make a living, If you can pull it off in a way that is undetectable then no reason at all .
If the vocal lines sound absolutely pitch perfect beyond human ability but lack expression then thats not real vocals is it lets be honest !

 

[Seth Munson]

As a producer trying to make a living, If you can pull it off in a way that is undetectable then no reason at all .
If the vocal lines sound absolutely pitch perfect beyond human ability but lack expression then thats not real vocals is it lets be honest !

well I guess I should stop quantizing drums, guitars and bass. I shouldnt really care if drums or guitars or bass go out of tune cuz thats what happens when you play them over time and if I re-tune and time everything thats not real instruments is it lets be honest !

 

[Full_Tilt]

Dont man your killing me

 

[professorlamp]

I tracked a band last week and WISHED i had autotune, this guy sucked.

also, out of the 5-10 bands that enquire MAYBE one will actually stick to their guns and record with you, do you really want to blow that by ruining your rep with out of tune vocals on the very minimal amount of work you get?
If we all had bands fighting for us we'd get to choose the good, the bad and the ugly but we don't so we take what we get.

 

[Seth Munson]

I just dont see the logic behind being able to edit everything even if they suck at their instruments but if a vocalist is bad tough shit its gotta sound like asscracks.
tbh, I like how AT sounds, its the norm

 

[P-E]

I tracked a band last week and WISHED i had autotune, this guy sucked.

also, out of the 5-10 bands that enquire MAYBE one will actually stick to their guns and record with you, do you really want to blow that by ruining your rep with out of tune vocals on the very minimal amount of work you get?
If we all had bands fighting for us we'd get to choose the good, the bad and the ugly but we don't so we take what we get.

gsnap man
it's free and it's ok

 

[Full_Tilt]

I just dont see the logic behind being able to edit everything even if they suck at their instruments but if a vocalist is bad tough shit its gotta sound like asscracks.
tbh, I like how AT sounds, its the norm

OK I can see where your coming from after all this place is where a lot of inspiring producers come to learn tips on making shit sound polished .
But (and I think I speak for a lot of musicians & buying public alike) we really dont dig it .
Especially if the musicians & buying public are more concerned with how they expressed them selves . Sometimes you can take that away when you think its sloppy or "not perfect" and then remove the performance data.
Im a real fan of drums in particular and one thing I cant stand is listening to what a drummer didnt do . So many albums are sounding dead ,devoid of feel .
I'd rather listen to a few more mistakes TBH .

 

[Ronixis]

fuck auto-tune - VOCALOID FTW

 

[rino655]

fuck auto-tune - VOCALOID FTW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3H3lVWboI4&feature=related

 

[GarethSE]

More reason to be terrified and amazed by Japan.

 

[Skinny Viking]

Holy SHIT!!!! Is that the movie "Breakin"?

I never knew he was in that

 

[Chryst Krispies]

Just lost a lot of respect for JC.