Exactly how common is/was the use of vocal tuning? When did it start to become a norm

[Cryo114]

don't get me wrong, I admire your idealism... but what happens when you have bills to pay and mouths to feed? I wish it could work the way you are talking about, but I just don't feel it's realistic.

Live to your means, make music that sells if you like. Just dont pretend that it's anything but a production line product.

My idealism won out, that was my exact point, you can't sustain a career in the modern recording business being an idealist and a modern mix engineer all at once.

This, we might disagree about david lynch stuff but we agree on other things.

 

[GarethSE]

It's also very refreshing to hear that coming from someone else on this forum aside from me Cryo, thank you. haha.

 

[JeffTD]

by the way, does it mean its not art anymore just because the vocals are tuned?

This... You creating art and expressing yourself isn't always ultimately useful to or wanted by society, and therefore not something you'll be able to buy food/clothing/lodging/etc with.

 

[grywolf627]

...are going to date like 80's artificial reverb on the snare (read: not well).

Hey! I resemble that remark! Some of us liked, and still like, good old digital reverb on snares and don't like the ultra dry stuff.

 

[Cryo114]

It's also very refreshing to hear that coming from someone else on this forum aside from me Cryo, thank you. haha.

I remember you making a lot of noise about this subject before but I didn't feel like making waves lol

It's nice that your relatively local. I may need somebody to keep me grounded when i make my first proper record.

 

[guitarguru777]

As soon as Cher used it

/thread

 

[[UEAK]Clowd]

Live to your means, make music that sells if you like. Just dont pretend that it's anything but a production line product.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree, again. Do you think the bands I produce mean their message any less just because their drums are in time and their vocals are in tune? cause they don't.

you can be on your anti-autotune and anti-editing high horse and blah blah blah all you want, but to call it a production line product is actually just kind of insulting.

 

[Cryo114]

No what i mean is, that most will take any old band and make them sound good. (it's possible) just because it's work. I dont know you so i cant say that's your case. So don't take it badly. Just, if it all about the result, it's fuk all about the input. Right?

I'm not here to upset people. Thats the last thing I want to do.

Everybody has a message how ever important. if i farted in a mic but i said it was about the eradication of the human race would you record me?

if you want to live of music you cant give two shits about the message.

 

[GarethSE]

This forum is like a tavern out of a western and a moustached mexican man's standing at the bar twizzling his 6 shooter round his finger and sheering "idealists aren't welcome here."

Touchy subject this one Cryo.

 

[JeffTD]

No what i mean is, that most will take any old band and make them sound good. (it's possible) just because it's work. I dont know you so i cant say that's your case. So don't take it badly. Just, if it all about the result, it's fuk all about the input. Right?

Taking work because you have to is life - it's the 1 out of 5-10 bands that are actually good at their instruments, know what they want to do, and do it well that make everything completely worth it, and that's why we're in this. If that never happened, if I never produced bands that I enjoyed, I'd never be involved in the music industry and would, like you said, just take up upholstery or carpeting or something.

But really, that's life - lots of 'diamonds in the rough' situations, so to speak.

 

[[UEAK]Clowd]

Taking work because you have to is life - it's the 1 out of 5-10 bands that are actually good at their instruments, know what they want to do, and do it well that make everything completely worth it, and that's why we're in this. If that never happened, if I never produced bands that I enjoyed, I'd never be involved in the music industry and would, like you said, just take up upholstery or carpeting or something.

But really, that's life - lots of 'diamonds in the rough' situations, so to speak.

yes.

 

[Cryo114]

This forum is like a tavern out of a western and a moustached mexican man's standing at the bar twizzling his 6 shooter round his finger and sheering "idealists aren't welcome here."

Touchy subject this one Cryo.

man, I'm the kinda guy that frets about the sound the vocal sound that joe meek got in 65. You think i care?

I'm not out to offend though, I do care about people i dont know. While they might not be making music I love, they're doing what they have to. As such they have my blessing.

 

[Cryo114]

Taking work because you have to is life - it's the 1 out of 5-10 bands that are actually good at their instruments, know what they want to do, and do it well that make everything completely worth it, and that's why we're in this. If that never happened, if I never produced bands that I enjoyed, I'd never be involved in the music industry and would, like you said, just take up upholstery or carpeting or something.

But really, that's life - lots of 'diamonds in the rough' situations, so to speak.

So your job is to make potentially shitty bands sound good?

 

[[UEAK]Clowd]

I'm not out to offend though, I do care about people i dont know. While they might not be making music I love, they're doing what they have to. As such they have my blessing.

word homie.

 

[Cryo114]

word homie.

man, while i might think it's hideous the music of today, you guys are just making ends meet. And nobody can blame you for that.

My opinions come second next to feeding your kids. Even i know that while I'm flaming away here. Always want the best for everybody, music can fuck compared to kids being fed.

 

[[UEAK]Clowd]

man, while i might think it's hideous the music of today, you guys are just making ends meet. And nobody can blame you for that.

My opinions come second next to feeding your kids. Even i know that while I'm flaming away here. Always want the best for everybody, music can fuck compared to kids being fed.

I'm not gonna take credit for ACTUALLY having mouths to feed (not yet, thank god) haha but I said that because someday I will and I want to be able to feed them well and put them through the best schools and buy them a nice house to live in and so on... and I want to do it by making music.

and if in the meantime I have to polish up some talentless hacks to get to that point, then so be it. as I get better and better the more actual talent I see coming through my door so I feel pretty good about it.

 

[Cryo114]

Go for it man, i don't have to agree and you don't have to like it. I wont do anything to take away your livelihood. I cant anyway. Sadly in this field that will happen all on its own. Hopefully you'll adapt if need be.

Outside of my honest willingness to know when tuning really started. It's all just pointless opinion. Nothing more.

 

[Skinny Viking]

Not until some big name producer drops by and echos your sentiment, at which point the whole forum will put down the melodyne and go au naturel.

I completely respect everything you said but disagree with this statement

just my opinion

 

[GarethSE]

Just being a sarky bastard, had to be done

 

[JeffTD]

So your job is to make potentially shitty bands sound good?

My job is to make bands sound good, regardless of their ability - this covers shitty bands as well as amazing bands. How is this news to you, and how would it be any different? I'm not at the stage where I can pick and choose every single band I work with and only work with the non-shitty ones, so until I'm there I work with what I have available to me.

I don't get why the question was raised - this is the same situation for any other job. You start with potentially shitty prospects, offers, deals, working conditions, salary, etc, and work your way up.