Fat attack!

firewalkjen said:
I agree with Lioness and Blackwater both to some extent.

I understand you can't possibly know some people's situations and reasons why they are obese, although I'm sure that the great majority of obese people brought it on themselves in some way with laziness and grose overeating. How do you let yourself go that far (500 lbs?) I would think at some point you would look in the mirror with enough disgust to motivate yourself to change. And if you have trouble breathing and walking? That's gotta be a wake up call. All physical appearances aside, you become succeptible to so many deadly diseases, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes. I don't think that many obese people realize that they could pay for their gluttony with their life.

Don't get me wrong, I have no prejudices based on appearance. No one is perfect. For me it's more a question of health. You can't sit and eat junk food all day long and not move a muscle and sit and cry about being obese. In those cases it's the fault of no one but themselves.

On the opposite side of the spectrum. being a walking skeleton with skin is just as unattractive. It's really sad that this world is so caught up in appearance that you can go online and find websites on how to be anorexic or bulemic. They keep trying to shut these sites down, but they go right back up again under a different name.

So I think as long as you are staying generally healthy and happy with yourself, then hats off to ya.
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I agree with you. If you're overweight/obese, you KNOW you have a problem. With any problem whether it's overeating, drinking, doing drugs, molesting kids - it's going to take a complete life change and that's not easy. What is easy is hiding away and eating yourself to death while you cry about it.

If Karen or anyone else hates fat people and thinks they're gross, that's totally fine, it's your opinion. But broad generalizations about millions of people that are linked by ONE thing, and calling them idiots or useless is just plain ignorant. Being obese does not override a persons worth.

What would you call a quadriplegic that can't speak? Worthless? I'd call him Stephen Hawking.
 
lizard said:
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250598

me, prolly not cause right now I'm financing a trip to NYC for the wife. But the RC guys are already pumped for this and I know you met a bunch of them last year
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Can I come too?

I'm not familiar with any of those bands. I did have an awesome time this year, though... And Minnesota is so gr1m and frosty. I might just have to go.
 
lizard said:
well those three are not the headliners...can't say I know them either but then, I'm not as grym and tr00 as some of my cohorts down on RC

there's already a whole floor of a hotel reserved so it promises to be a partying good time, maybe markgugs/madeinnewjersey will showcase his kilt again :lol:
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One can only hope!
 
Okay, this is the best story ever to read on a boring Thursday morning. I just forwarded it to everyone in my office (I work in the department that licenses restaurants) simply for this sentence:

"A 500-pound man in Seminole County, Fla., was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of scamming fast-food restaurants out of large amounts of milk shakes and tacos, according to a Local 6 News report."

As for obese people...well, that's sort of a touchy subject. I certainly can't say that I hate them, because that's a little ridiculous. I feel bad for them, but at the same time, if you weigh 500 pounds and you're not Andre the Giant-sized, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I saw a special on TV once about morbidly obese people who had lost tons (almost literally) of weight and put it back on, and they profiled a man who weighed close to 1000 pounds. Apparently at some point in time he'd actually been thin, but his weight shot back up and he had become wheelchair-bound. They followed him around with cameras for a week or so, and they showed his eating and living habits. He claimed to his doctors that he was gaining weight because of a hormonal imbalance, when really it was because he would eat entire pizzas and chickens by himself, then wash them down with a 12-pack of Coke and a box of Twinkies (or something else completely sickening). And whenever anyone tried to confront him about it, be it his wife (who he'd never been able to have sex with because of his weight) or the TV crew, he'd get really angry and say everyone was trying to tell him what to do, and he'd never be able to lose the weight because of his hormones. He said that his wife wasn't allowed to tell him what to do when it came to food, because if she did he would throw fits and say nasty things to her.

Now, people like that I could probably hate - someone who has absolutely no willpower and no drive to lose weight. He obviously has an addiction to food, but he's doing absolutely nothing to control it. He will probably die because he's so fucking stubborn.
 
Cephalopod said:
Okay, this is the best story ever to read on a boring Thursday morning. I just forwarded it to everyone in my office (I work in the department that licenses restaurants) simply for this sentence:

"A 500-pound man in Seminole County, Fla., was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of scamming fast-food restaurants out of large amounts of milk shakes and tacos, according to a Local 6 News report."

As for obese people...well, that's sort of a touchy subject. I certainly can't say that I hate them, because that's a little ridiculous. I feel bad for them, but at the same time, if you weigh 500 pounds and you're not Andre the Giant-sized, you have no one to blame but yourself.

I saw a special on TV once about morbidly obese people who had lost tons (almost literally) of weight and put it back on, and they profiled a man who weighed close to 1000 pounds. Apparently at some point in time he'd actually been thin, but his weight shot back up and he had become wheelchair-bound. They followed him around with cameras for a week or so, and they showed his eating and living habits. He claimed to his doctors that he was gaining weight because of a hormonal imbalance, when really it was because he would eat entire pizzas and chickens by himself, then wash them down with a 12-pack of Coke and a box of Twinkies (or something else completely sickening). And whenever anyone tried to confront him about it, be it his wife (who he'd never been able to have sex with because of his weight) or the TV crew, he'd get really angry and say everyone was trying to tell him what to do, and he'd never be able to lose the weight because of his hormones. He said that his wife wasn't allowed to tell him what to do when it came to food, because if she did he would throw fits and say nasty things to her.

Now, people like that I could probably hate - someone who has absolutely no willpower and no drive to lose weight. He obviously has an addiction to food, but he's doing absolutely nothing to control it. He will probably die because he's so fucking stubborn.
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Yeah, I think I saw that on tv too. They interviewed his wife and she said they'd never had a sex life. I felt sorry for her. He's obviously got some serious mental/emotional problems. I don't think people like that are stupid, they just do stupid shit.
 
firewalkjen said:
I understand you can't possibly know some people's situations and reasons why they are obese, although I'm sure that the great majority of obese people brought it on themselves in some way with laziness and grose overeating. How do you let yourself go that far (500 lbs?)
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If you read what I posted here earlier this statement can equal to something like “Oh I understand he/she had problems but why schizophrenia she/he could be just get psychosis” or “oh I see he/she felt of the bridge but why to get a compound fracture?!!”
The first example is probably better… what I’m trying to say is that when it comes to 500 lbs the weight cannot be controlled and the people cannot control how far cam they go. The problem is in the receptor in the brain and there is nothing they can do about it. The ones that can face their problem seek help and others choose to live in denial which is common for human nature…

And one more thing, this tread is about extremely overweight people and not just fat, and if you ask me by my standards no one is fat on this board.

Except for maybe me… :) I tried on my fathers pants from 15 years ago today and they fit me just perfectly in my waist. I did not expect that… but… just maybe he was anorexic… :)
 
Yeah and there was a woman who had a dirt phobia and she lived in a very dirty appartment because everytime she dropped somethind she was afraid to pick it up and she was afraid to get rid of the dust because she was afraid to touch it and she never went out of course so she almost suffocated to death in there... that has nothing to do with obesity of course but I think it is a little similar...
 
perniciosa said:
If you read what I posted here earlier this statement can equal to something like “Oh I understand he/she had problems but why schizophrenia she/he could be just get psychosis” or “oh I see he/she felt of the bridge but why to get a compound fracture?!!”
The first example is probably better… what I’m trying to say is that when it comes to 500 lbs the weight cannot be controlled and the people cannot control how far cam they go. The problem is in the receptor in the brain and there is nothing they can do about it. The ones that can face their problem seek help and others choose to live in denial which is common for human nature…

And one more thing, this tread is about extremely overweight people and not just fat, and if you ask me by my standards no one is fat on this board.

Except for maybe me… :) I tried on my fathers pants from 15 years ago today and they fit me just perfectly in my waist. I did not expect that… but… just maybe he was anorexic… :)
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You should take over for Dr. Phil. :)

I don't know everything about the science behind it, but once you get to the morbidly obese area, I see it as similar to a heroin addict. You damn well know sticking that needle in your arm is going to hurt you and eventually kill you. But you do it anyway, then cry about it later because you know you shouldn't have.

I think the statistics are something like 90% of people that lose over 100 pounds will gain it all back. I read that scientists are working on an obesity vaccine. Shoot me up, baby.
 
Dr. Phil? I would gladly make a full of myself on TV and become Dr. Vera if I could get even half of his paycheck… I don't think I could blame everithing on the lack of comunication though :)
This drugs comparison is a very good one because the drugs affect the brain as well. Heroin affects some synaptic receptor, so to fight with addiction they use some agens (naltrexon) which blocks heroin’s access to the receptors. Cocaine works a little different (more complicated) but they use some so called immunotherapy. I don’t really know how food addiction works (it cannot work exactly like drugs) but the vaccine makes sense to me...
 
It almost sounds like you're saying we should feel sorry for people who have addictions. Then maybe we should blame their families for not pushing them into rehab or in the case of obese people, forcing them to go to the hospital to get help. Human nature plays into everything. That's obvious. I don't think anyone on this board is ignorant to that fact. Why should we baby people who's own excessive lifestyles have brought them to the horrible state they're in now. Common Sense would tell you if you eat too much you'll gain weight yet people keep on going. People know drugs are bad, yet they keep taking them. It's all a matter of self esteem. If you are happy with yourself and who you are you will not need things like drugs and excessive overeating to make you feel good.

It's really not worth going back and forth about. It's a matter of opinion.

And opinions are like assholes. everyone has one and they all smell like shit.
 
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