First Greece, Portugal and Spain, next is Italy, Ireland and Belgium?

[ahjteam]

http://economicsnewspaper.com/polic...gium-italy-juncker-fears-contagion-35019.html
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/0...bya-whats-next-for-those-still-under-dictato/

since there is a other countries under massive changes too (Egypt, Libya...), I wonder if this economic crisis will eventually lead to a new world war?

 

[TheWinterSnow]

More like a civil world war. Its not that nations are warring with other nations, it has been more of the citizens in countries either fighting for democracy or frustrated with how politicians of the union (EU + US) have been treating its citizens in the wake of the current economic struggle.

 

[jipchen]

More like a civil world war. Its not that nations are warring with other nations, it has been more of the citizens in countries either fighting for democracy or frustrated with how politicians of the union (EU + US) have been treating its citizens in the wake of the current economic struggle.

+1, but I fear some facist pricks who are currently shooting their own people could think "hey, why don't we shoot other people instead of our own?" someday.
(Not talking about EU countries of course)

And the people in Spain, Greece etc. are right, it's just ridiculous how everything goes down the shitter in those supposedly highly democractical countries, just because some rich and powerful motherfuckers fucked up. I don't see much besides greed, corruption and lust for power in 99,99% of politicians and concerns.. the average citizen works his ass off and gets nothing instead, while those responsible make even more money.

Not like it's a lot better in most other countries.

 

[The Front Studio]

Belgium needs to get a fucking goverment first before they can deal the economy crisis, though to my belief it's been calming down over here

 

[jipchen]

Are you sure having a government is really better? Just look at Greece

 

[luismars]

With all the Internet thing, the perfect solution would be voting every single law without having to vote to politicians. We've been sleeping for too long and now we fear of the goverment, but it's the goverment who has to fear us.

 

[MindMunch]

Anon open letter to NATO

http://youranonnews.tumblr.com/post/6220867807/greetings-members-of-nato-we-are-anonymous

 

[El_Gato]

I really hope this is spreading fast. I've read news saying that external debt is proportionally much higher in the USA than in Greece. But Greece is the one that is financially "rescued".

Anyway, Spain: high debt, slow growing (financial), but with banks and big corporations making record incomes and profits. 5 million unemployment and banks and governement still cutting.

The USA and Europe (not in every country, Iceland is sending them to jail): the ones who led us into the crisis are STILL at charge and even with more power.

There are plenty reasons for this to spread. This sunday there are demonstrations in many cities in the world

 

[TheWinterSnow]

With all the Internet thing, the perfect solution would be voting every single law without having to vote to politicians. We've been sleeping for too long and now we fear of the goverment, but it's the goverment who has to fear us.

We have something like that in California. It is basically a direct democracy where we vote for measures, state congressional bills written in the assembly. I don't know what to think of it on the personal experience that Californians are for the most part to stupid to actually use common sense. Most are so liberal/progressive and usually blind democrats (will only vote democrat regardless of who it is) and will vote so regardless of the consequences.

I really hope this is spreading fast. I've read news saying that external debt is proportionally much higher in the USA than in Greece. But Greece is the one that is financially "rescued".

Anyway, Spain: high debt, slow growing (financial), but with banks and big corporations making record incomes and profits. 5 million unemployment and banks and governement still cutting.

The USA and Europe (not in every country, Iceland is sending them to jail): the ones who led us into the crisis are STILL at charge and even with more power.

There are plenty reasons for this to spread. This sunday there are demonstrations in many cities in the world

One of the things not mentioned is exactly how bad the US is doing, or that the reason other countries are collapsing is a direct result of the US economy being worse. Here is the low down, the Euro is a currency not based on anything, merely the American dollar, the American dollar was backed by the gold standard but due to Quantitative Easing, the USD is volatile, making other currencies just as volatile. With QE, it comes down to one guy, which is unregulated and can print as much money as he wants in complete secrecy. Some will say that this makes him the most powerful man in the world because he can control the inflation rate of the western world. When the easing doesn't work (which it never has) all that is left is a depreciated dollar which then trickles down to the nations of the EU. It is to a point where the economy in china is collapsing because we are in debt in the hundred trillions, they expected a continuous economic growth and built huge cities designed for 2Mil+ people with that are ghosts towns from the world economic slow down. Their employee wages are also going up which have been leading to the US and the EU nations to begin pulling away from their Chinese factories.

Regardless there has been an unstable system that has not been put into check and civil unrest has begun to reach its peak, the economies of the world are beginning to collapse. Fortunately, with the age of the internet, the people have been educated enough to begin to speak out and are out making a difference. That's all that we can do for now, but that is all that matters right now, just being aware of the world stage.

 

[MarkG]

The ending of that anon letter cracked me up. We are legion...expect us...really? Do they think they are the borg? Unfortunately that letter sounded to me like a teenager trying to write like an adult.

 

[The Front Studio]

Are you sure having a government is really better? Just look at Greece

I'm positive it wouldn't help. But I still wish it would.

 

[SocialNumb]

Anon open letter to NATO

http://youranonnews.tumblr.com/post/6220867807/greetings-members-of-nato-we-are-anonymous

hahahahahaha Love the hydra bit.


It really does read like a 15 year old wrote it.

 

[El_Gato]

We have something like that in California. It is basically a direct democracy where we vote for measures, state congressional bills written in the assembly. I don't know what to think of it on the personal experience that Californians are for the most part to stupid to actually use common sense. Most are so liberal/progressive and usually blind democrats (will only vote democrat regardless of who it is) and will vote so regardless of the consequences.



One of the things not mentioned is exactly how bad the US is doing, or that the reason other countries are collapsing is a direct result of the US economy being worse. Here is the low down, the Euro is a currency not based on anything, merely the American dollar, the American dollar was backed by the gold standard but due to Quantitative Easing, the USD is volatile, making other currencies just as volatile. With QE, it comes down to one guy, which is unregulated and can print as much money as he wants in complete secrecy. Some will say that this makes him the most powerful man in the world because he can control the inflation rate of the western world. When the easing doesn't work (which it never has) all that is left is a depreciated dollar which then trickles down to the nations of the EU. It is to a point where the economy in china is collapsing because we are in debt in the hundred trillions, they expected a continuous economic growth and built huge cities designed for 2Mil+ people with that are ghosts towns from the world economic slow down. Their employee wages are also going up which have been leading to the US and the EU nations to begin pulling away from their Chinese factories.

Regardless there has been an unstable system that has not been put into check and civil unrest has begun to reach its peak, the economies of the world are beginning to collapse. Fortunately, with the age of the internet, the people have been educated enough to begin to speak out and are out making a difference. That's all that we can do for now, but that is all that matters right now, just being aware of the world stage.

I knew California has this and I think it's great. That would be cool at state (government) level, too. That's one of the differences between Participative Democracy against the Representative Democracy we got here in Spain. If any, those votings are not binding here, great

In the Participative, you can vote laws, with Representative, you just vote once every 4 years to a party and they can do whatever they want, even if it's against their party program.

Everyone pay lip service to the word Democracy as if it was sacred and untouchable when, in fact, there are many models: Spanish and French are quite different systems and we're European neighbours

 

[John_C]

I actually quite like that letter if I take off my cynicism goggles. Everything they say is pretty much dead on tbh, would you be accusing it of immaturity if you were hearing it from the mouth of a protester on the streets of a middle eastern nation?

Apart from that, it reminds me of v for vendetta

 

[El_Gato]

World demonstration on October: https://www.facebook.com/WorldRevolutionNow

Demonstration map for tomorrow: http://www.thetechnoant.info/19j/ Europeans, watch the vid:

Yes we camp! There were almost 800 at some point

 

[El_Gato]

since there is a other countries under massive changes too (Egypt, Libya...), I wonder if this economic crisis will eventually lead to a new world war?

There's nothing in common with Egypt, Yemen... apart from the fact that we're demanding our rights.

World war? I don't think there's a reason or we'd let them doing so. The Spanish collaboration in the military intervention against Iraq, was punished and the government was kicked out in the elections 7 years ago. There were many protests against it.

 

[egan.]

I knew California has this and I think it's great. That would be cool at state (government) level, too. That's one of the differences between Participative Democracy against the Representative Democracy we got here in Spain. If any, those votings are not binding here, great

The problem is that in practice it often isn't great. CA has a terrible time getting things done and in some ways direct democracy is more manipulatable through propaganda campaigns. It's definitely a mixed blessing.

 

[El_Gato]

The problem is that in practice it often isn't great. CA has a terrible time getting things done and in some ways direct democracy is more manipulatable through propaganda campaigns. It's definitely a mixed blessing.

Definitely. For better or worse. In this note, governments are heavily cutting on education and spending loads of money on election campaigns but on the other side, the internet is an important tool.

It's been a month since the first protests here and nearly everyday is on the news at some degree. Almost everyone talks about it here and the word is spreading thanks to the internet and the people who are taking the streets everyday.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

Fuck all of you I'm going to Greece in a month and restabilizing their economy on my own via beer and gyro consumption, bitches.

 

[JeffTD]

Here is the low down, the Euro is a currency not based on anything, merely the American dollar, the American dollar was backed by the gold standard but due to Quantitative Easing, the USD is volatile, making other currencies just as volatile. With QE, it comes down to one guy, which is unregulated and can print as much money as he wants in complete secrecy.

I don't have time to explain why (will later tonight), but this really is not accurate. Huge oversimplification and misperception of how monetary policy works.