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[Bekanor]

Could you sauce that for me? Everything I've read said the Assault Weapons ban ended in 2004.

Ranch or Ketchup?

 

[jipchen]

All fully automatic weapons in the US are illegal, maybe you should look into that a bit. This whole gun control bullshit is stupid, yeah take away guns from the law abiding citizens, criminals still won't care about the laws and will still get their hands on any gun they see fit.

That's news to me. But even then, there are plenty of assault rifles that are not fully automatic.
It's just, why the fuck would someone need an assault rifle?
I can barely understand why people would like to have a handgun..
Even rifles are retarded (not if you're a hunter ) and assault rifles are just beyond stupid. Imho, of course.

I'm not saying guns are the reasons for persons running amok either.
But you do see the point that it's a lot easier to get a gun if everyone can have weapons legally, don't you?

 

[kaomao]

"A 19-year-old math major...."
math kills lol
I always believed that in school!

 

[AllanD]

I'm not saying guns are the reasons for persons running amok either.
But you do see the point that it's a lot easier to get a gun if everyone can have weapons legally, don't you?

Agreed. Of course legislation against it is stupid NOW, everyone in the south already has a gun

 

[narcossintese]

I don´t think guns like that should even be produced. I´m talking about closing all the riffle factories in the world. Why the fuck, in the beggining of the 21 century, do we need to keep shaping natural resources into 700 rpm assault riffles? There´s no World War, the Wall fell. Seriously, WHY THE FUCK are these factories still operating at all? It´s insane.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Could you sauce that for me? Everything I've read said the Assault Weapons ban ended in 2004.

The term assault weapon is a United States political and legal term used to describe a variety of semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine containing more than 10 rounds, and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Primary pistol grip
Forward grip
Threaded barrel (for a Suppressor, commonly called a silencer)
Barrel shroud
The assault weapons ban did not restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly-manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers.

and...

Civilian ownership of assault rifles or any other full-automatic firearm is tightly regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives under the National Firearms Act of 1934 as amended by Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968. In addition, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986 halted the manufacture of assault rifles for the civilian market and currently limits legal civilian ownership to units produced and properly registered with the BATFE before May 1986. Some states have enacted laws against civilian possession of automatic weapons that override NFA clearance; Kansas, on the other hand, repealed its own state law against civilian ownership of assault rifles in July 2008. Civilians may purchase semi-automatic versions of such firearms without requiring NFA clearance, although some states (including California and New Jersey) enforce their own restrictions and/or prohibitions on such weapons.

That's news to me. But even then, there are plenty of assault rifles that are not fully automatic.
It's just, why the fuck would someone need an assault rifle?
I can barely understand why people would like to have a handgun..
Even rifles are retarded (not if you're a hunter ) and assault rifles are just beyond stupid. Imho, of course.

I'm not saying guns are the reasons for persons running amok either.
But you do see the point that it's a lot easier to get a gun if everyone can have weapons legally, don't you?

Assault rifles that are made in or for The US are military issue assault riffles, such as M16's, SCAR, and SMG's like MP5 and UMP45 which is used by SWAT. The assault riffles and other fully automatic weapons that Americans get their hands on are foreign and illegally smuggled here.

There aren't any Assault Rifles that are not automatic, you would be thinking of an Assault Weapon which generally includes semi-automatic pistols.

Its like tobacco, alcohol and Marijuana, its a hell of a lot easier to get your hands on a gun that is illegal than a gun that is legal and registered, especially if you are a minor or convicted criminal in which you legally cannot carry a weapon, the details on the conditions changes form state to state, but its a gauntlet to get a legal and registered gun.

I don´t think guns like that should even be produced. I´m talking about closing all the riffle factories in the world. Why the fuck, in the beggining of the 21 century, do we need to keep shaping natural resources into 700 rpm assault riffles? There´s no World War, the Wall fell. Seriously, WHY THE FUCK are these factories still operating at all? It´s insane.

apparently you aren't aware of the fact that there will always be war, there will always be military for many countries that need to outfit its soldiers with a weapon. The rifles that civilians can get legally are well hunting rifles, and are used for sport and game, not killing people.

 

[AllanD]

They sell Ar15's at my local Academy. Oh Texas!

 

[narcossintese]

The rifles that civilians can get legally are well hunting rifles, and are used for sport and game, not killing people.

Sure it is. If it is not your neighboor, do you ever wonder who is buying the dozens of M16s that are being made everyday on your country? Because if it is being made, someone is buying. You will never see who is buying, never know what for and never know who is getting killed by it. Here´s a tip.

You won´t find these on the house of man who votes against closing weapon factories:

You also won´t see this on the streets:

No one is thinking about who is really getting screwed by your holy Second Amendment.

 

[roy22341]

You do realize that those weapons you showed in those pictures were purchased illegally? And that simply outlawing guns doesn't make them go away? We outlawed drugs years ago...still got em...its still a problem. So making guns illegal will make drug cartels stop shooting each other? Most of those weapons I'd venture to guess were bought on the black market from a country such as Russia, Afghanistan, etc. etc.

 

[narcossintese]

You do realize that those weapons you showed in those pictures were purchased illegally? And that simply outlawing guns doesn't make them go away? We outlawed drugs years ago...still got em...its still a problem. So making guns illegal will make drug cartels stop shooting each other? Most of those weapons I'd venture to guess were bought on the black market from a country such as Russia, Afghanistan, etc. etc.

No dude, my grip is not with a paper saying if people should or should not have a 700 rpm assault rifle. You can´t control the criminal minds. But what you CAN control is the fuckin large facilities that make these weapons. Anyone is able to plant hemp, but how many scumbags can manufacture a .50 from the ground?

Just saying "the problem is the person, not the gun" is like saying it is ok for a mother to let her children run around with a knife. Technically she did not hurt the kid, but that doesn´t make her any less responsable. She knows what is going to happen.

 

[roy22341]

Well I can't disagree with you that the world would be better without guns...but we have them...and they're not going away. Before there were guns there were swords, catapults, etc...before that clubs and stones. Its human nature to kill each other - and we've got it down to an art.

 

[TheWinterSnow]

No dude, my grip is not with a paper saying if people should or should not have a 700 rpm assault rifle. You can´t control the criminal minds. But what you CAN control is the fuckin large facilities that make these weapons. Anyone is able to plant hemp, but how many scumbags can manufacture a .50 from the ground?

Us citizens get illegal weapons from Afghanistan, Russia and Brazil, where those countries are manufacturing all sorts of weapons or getting their hands on weapons through black market trade. To stop such weapons from getting into the American or European black market would require the manufacture of weapons in Russia, Afghanistan and Brazil with a few others, but I don't think any of those countries will stop producing them because the US government wants it harder for citizens to get their hands on them. The assault weapons for US armed forces are only manufactured for certified personnel and are heavily regulated which have to be returned. Its foreign countries where we are getting those weapons, and pretty nasty countries that don't care about civilian liberties. The best you can do is allow law abiding citizens to have the right to carry pistols and semi automatic weapons for self defense against said criminals. I don't think drug lords, gangs and whatnot care much for legal pistols, but would rather pick up an M16 from Pedro over the boarder, manufactured by a country who doesn't give a shit about gun control.

Nothing you can do, at the end of the day we are all animals and there will always be a need for weapons, at least you can give weapons to responsible people for the use of self defense.

 

[J the TyranT]

Really man? You think wars are going to end? Not just multi-national, but... civil wars? Drug wars and uprisings and policings and the like? Darfur? Afghanistan? It will NEVER stop. Mankind has been fighting over god, women, money, pride, glory and conquest since the dawn of time.

 

[narcossintese]

I´m just saying that I can absolutely relate to jipchen's repulse against these guns.
Are you going to deny that it is much harder for the police, with .38 revolvers, fight against drug lords walking around with ARs? Last year we had an average of 91 people killed EACH DAY here. What war in the world has this rate of killing? Is the Colt employee in Canada ever going to see these bodies? Is one of these bodies ever going to be his son, his wife or himself? Will he ever have the gun he made today pointed at him in the streets tomorrow? Of course not. He knows that he makes killing machines to let people kill elsewhere.

I´m not saying that all the guns are from the US, but it is a major part of the problem that could be stopped just closing all these factories. If you really believe in this "war will never stop, nothing we can do" attitude, why are you so concerned about Iran or North Korea making nucelar bombs? I tell you, it´s because it´s not that easy to ignore when it is your ass on the line.

Everybody knows that the legislation isn´t enough to make these weapons end up on the hands of criminals just like everybody knows that just saying "don´t play with the knife" to kids isn´t enough. What is happening is basically a mother sistematically selling katanas to children and thinking "fuck it, they´re not my kids anyway".

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Sounds like you are pretty naive. Even in the US other countries that manufacture guns and other munitions cares about the value of life (which they don't) and close down all their factories, new factories from other countries will open open because there is still a demand for weapons and when they are scarce, its a great business investment to whoever wants to get in the shady business. There will always be enough conflict in the world for the need for assault weapons, and with such demand, there will be someone, somewhere producing those weapons for profit. If today The US and Russia cease munition manufacture, tomorrow China will be mass producing munitions for the black market. You can't stop a product from being made if it has a demand.

You also act like the majority of assault weapons that terrorists and other criminals get their hands on are American. Last time I checked the only American made assault weapons are made for military use and are extremely difficult to get in the black market. Russian made assault weapons are the tried and true workhorse for terrorist and criminals who need durable, cheap and easy to get guns that do massive damage. If you have a problem with those guns being produced, you should take your complaint up with the Russian government, who knows they might actually care and take a financial loss so that the crime rate in Brazil might turn around to acceptable levels...hehe, sure.

 

[narcossintese]

There will always be enough conflict in the world for the need for assault weapons, and with such demand, there will be someone, somewhere producing those weapons for profit. If today The US and Russia cease munition manufacture, tomorrow China will be mass producing munitions for the black market. You can't stop a product from being made if it has a demand.

Well, then why are your government so worried about other countries selling atomic fuel to Iran? As you say it is inevitable that people will make a nuclear war, so why bother?

Last time I checked the only American made assault weapons are made for military use and are extremely difficult to get in the black market.

You´re VERY wrong. I can buy a M16 on the black market in less than one hour, by foot. I can even show you the locations on Google Maps, you just won´t have the Street View because, well, you know why Google didn´t took photos there.

Now, think about what you believe, that there are conflicts in the world that really need ARs. Think about these conflicts and who are the ones with the bigger guns? Do the USA really need to be on Afghanistan and Iraq? What good does that brought to the world? Do we really want the druglords outgun the police force on latin america? Look at our situation. Who are the ones with the ARs in Rwanda, Hulu or Tutsi, and what they´re doin with the guns?

The list can go on and on, but you won´t find a single conflict where ARs are making it better or are pointing to the ones that deserve.

But hey, it is not your blood, is it?

 

[TheWinterSnow]

Well, then why are your government so worried about other countries selling atomic fuel to Iran? As you say it is inevitable that people will make a nuclear war, so why bother?

Nuclear weapons? Well we can't just go and invade North Korea, Cuba and other countries that are in opposition to the US and EU and physically make them stop production of Nuclear weapons. The only thing we can do is to make them ourselves for our protection/self-defense and withhold treaties with other nuclear nations that are either neutral or having some tension with the US and EU.

You´re VERY wrong. I can buy a M16 on the black market in less than one hour, by foot. I can even show you the locations on Google Maps, you just won´t have the Street View because, well, you know why Google didn´t took photos there.

Now, think about what you believe, that there are conflicts in the world that really need ARs. Think about these conflicts and who are the ones with the bigger guns? Do the USA really need to be on Afghanistan and Iraq? What good does that brought to the world? Do we really want the druglords outgun the police force on latin america? Look at our situation. Who are the ones with the ARs in Rwanda, Hulu or Tutsi, and what they´re doin with the guns?

The list can go on and on, but you won´t find a single conflict where ARs are making it better or are pointing to the ones that deserve.

But hey, it is not your blood, is it?

American AR's go for a little bit more too, mainly because, there aren't as many of them circulating around the black market as say an AK-47. American AR's are obtained from lost guns or from fallen soldiers, and then end up in circulation. So while it may be easy to get an M16, its just that much easier to get an AK-47 or and RPG-7.

The conflicts that need AR's are the ones that involve military. Highly trained personnel require highly tuned and highly powerful weapons. You want to know why the US is in the middle east, its a business opportunity. We are tying to make a business deal with one country, by going to war with its enemy country to gain control over a resource that we want from said enemy country and will exchange with allied country for their profit once we obtain the resources we were fighting for. Its ok though because from the looks of it, China might just buy out the resources they can and make the whole war completely useless. Just like Russia and China, the middle eastern countries don't care about allies, they sell to the highest bidder, regardless of what casualties come with it. Don't think that the US and EU/UN are any different, they rally together and make business decisions together. If they invest money into a business, they want to be sure they rake in their billions, regardless of the innocent lives those incomes come with. Don't think for a second that any multi billionaire investors from any country care about the well being of any civilian, especially innocent civilians from third world countries or near third world conditions, people that they never met, or knew. To them its out of sight, out of mind, and they are making their living that they will not give up for anything. Maybe if you were to actually get them to see the war and poverty and death first hand, they may change their minds, but don't hold your breath.