I saw this on another forum and might aswell share it here, not so tight :Smug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu2NjCvjnl4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu2NjCvjnl4
Fredrik Thordendal and Morgan Ågren
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Man, it has to be sooooo freakin' hard to play drums for that polyrhythmic stuff. Cool stuff.
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Sweetnothing
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It is a medley of Special Defects's "Sol Niger Within" Album, which features Thordendal and Agren, Morgan Agren plays without getting a single hair out of shape though...
Sweetnothing
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Altough that's Morgan Agren...I think Tomas Haake (the original Meshuggah drummer) is seriously the best metal drummer alive.
Like is said, check out "I" and Nothing, such superior drumming. It's so refreshing to hear him play.
Like is said, check out "I" and Nothing, such superior drumming. It's so refreshing to hear him play.
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Agreed, but ( schhhh) Nothing is 100% DFHS ( schhhhhhhh) altough live is only himInnerCircle said:
Sweetnothing said:Agreed, but ( schhhh) Nothing is 100% DFHS ( schhhhhhhh) altough live is only him
it was easier doing it all in Superior cause they always changed the songs and stuff...
Mendel
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Benny H
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Sweetnothing
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In fact, fredrik did had a hand or two on the developing of dfhs.Mendel said:
And yes, they've stated that many times, let me search for some interviews about it
Benny H
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kaomao
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and this is much more interesting eheh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjinwnyZgnE&mode=related&search=
Really great drummer!!!!!!!!!!
I love the way he plays drums!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjinwnyZgnE&mode=related&search=
Really great drummer!!!!!!!!!!
I love the way he plays drums!!!
Benny H said:
but since these were the guys that developed it, they surely had a finished or unfinished copy long before its release... I have that interview aswell where they stated that they used DFHS...
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About catch 33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshuggah yeah, it's wikipedia, but proves the point
And the real deal, an interview with Mr Haake http://www.seaoftranquility.org/article.php?sid=441
Yeah, it's programmed, and show how egos in a band should be, to me it's great to tell ppl "yes, it's programmed because of this X reasons" but remember they PLAY those weird things live perfectly
And the real deal, an interview with Mr Haake http://www.seaoftranquility.org/article.php?sid=441
Yeah, it's programmed, and show how egos in a band should be, to me it's great to tell ppl "yes, it's programmed because of this X reasons" but remember they PLAY those weird things live perfectly
Benny H
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So anyway, about Nothing. It's not Superior or programmed and that's a fact 
Edit: here's a bit from an interview from back then. I'll find better but it gives you a fair hint..
Edit: here's a bit from an interview from back then. I'll find better but it gives you a fair hint..
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READ AGAIN
Nothing
Tomas: We always want to do something different with each album, but this one is definitely more of an experiment than the others. We wanted to do something unique with this one, and go for the vibe full out more than the technical or brutal aspect, and maintain that vibe for the whole album. Also the dynamical aspect of the album, once you take it down we really let it take its time before we take it back up again, and I think it makes for an album that’s really an entity on it’s own. We’re really happy with the way it came out.
SoT: You’re actually the perfect person to ask this next question, as there’s been a lot of talk about it-what was the reason to use all programmed drums on this album?
Tomas: The way this album was written is very different from the way we normally write stuff, and a lot of the guitar stuff were done on a spur of the moment type of thing. We had the guitar plugged through a Line6 straight through to a PC digitally, and as soon as someone would come up with an idea for a riff, he would record that riff immediately, all four guitars and the bass, because a lot of the things are really, really random, like the notations and the actual finger placements on the neck, there’s a lot of real quirky stuff going on. Maybe we could have done it, but it would have taken so much time to record drums to go along with these riffs, which had been changed like ten times each, at least, that I would have had to re-record and re-learn the drum parts over and over again. It would have taken too much time. That’s one aspect. The other one is that once we were like 15-20 minutes into the album we noticed that the programmed drums sounded really good, the samples sounded so good even before we mixed them, and it just supported the overall feel and vibe of the album, the super steady, no fills, almost emotionless type of drumming, even though it sounds like a real drummer. We just felt it went well with the style of music we were writing, so we said “fuck it” and went with it. We have always been about breaking taboos, and as a metal band, and maybe especially as a metal band like us, we have a lot of musician followers, so maybe for us it’s a little more taboo to use programmed drums, but to some extent maybe that’s another reason why we did it.
Nothing
Tomas: We always want to do something different with each album, but this one is definitely more of an experiment than the others. We wanted to do something unique with this one, and go for the vibe full out more than the technical or brutal aspect, and maintain that vibe for the whole album. Also the dynamical aspect of the album, once you take it down we really let it take its time before we take it back up again, and I think it makes for an album that’s really an entity on it’s own. We’re really happy with the way it came out.
SoT: You’re actually the perfect person to ask this next question, as there’s been a lot of talk about it-what was the reason to use all programmed drums on this album?
Tomas: The way this album was written is very different from the way we normally write stuff, and a lot of the guitar stuff were done on a spur of the moment type of thing. We had the guitar plugged through a Line6 straight through to a PC digitally, and as soon as someone would come up with an idea for a riff, he would record that riff immediately, all four guitars and the bass, because a lot of the things are really, really random, like the notations and the actual finger placements on the neck, there’s a lot of real quirky stuff going on. Maybe we could have done it, but it would have taken so much time to record drums to go along with these riffs, which had been changed like ten times each, at least, that I would have had to re-record and re-learn the drum parts over and over again. It would have taken too much time. That’s one aspect. The other one is that once we were like 15-20 minutes into the album we noticed that the programmed drums sounded really good, the samples sounded so good even before we mixed them, and it just supported the overall feel and vibe of the album, the super steady, no fills, almost emotionless type of drumming, even though it sounds like a real drummer. We just felt it went well with the style of music we were writing, so we said “fuck it” and went with it. We have always been about breaking taboos, and as a metal band, and maybe especially as a metal band like us, we have a lot of musician followers, so maybe for us it’s a little more taboo to use programmed drums, but to some extent maybe that’s another reason why we did it.
Catch 33 was entirely DFHS not only because of them always changing the songs, but also becuase they had very little time to finish it. It was just easier to program everything than to have Thomas doing 1 billion takes to get it all perfectly down.
Agreed with Sweetnothing about how egos should be. I can hardly imagine a drummer agreeing to having their stuff programmed (for any reason) around here. The way I see it, it's still YOUR writing, just not you on your set. The fact that it's what you wrote should be enough if you aren't able to get it down perfectly/in the alotted time to finish a recording. Major points to Haake for being such a good sport. Also, the fact that he can actually play the stuff live with nearly surgical precision...hats off to him.
Also, while I know in the modern day of recording you can punch-in/out with anything, Catch 33 is still one long song that's only chopped up for CD player's sake. Either way it's just a ton of stuff to learn and let alone play, being polyrhythmic, all the way through. However, I did catch them live and they played what would be 4 "songs" off of Catch 33 and Haake played it all perfectly, so Haake gets mad props for that, and I would also mention the fact that he played all the other stuff on the set list that night spot on.
Haake and Agren have to be one of the craziest drummers I've ever seen simply for the polyrhythmic playing. It takes a LOT of practice to nail that stuff since it's such odd timing. I know because my drummer friend that can play allllll kinds of shit by Nick Barker/Hellhammer/Roddy/Etc. but has been unable to do more elaborate polyrhythmic even after months of practice. A simple quote from the aforementioned friend on playing polyrhythmic stuff: "it's just really fucking wierd."
~e.a
Agreed with Sweetnothing about how egos should be. I can hardly imagine a drummer agreeing to having their stuff programmed (for any reason) around here. The way I see it, it's still YOUR writing, just not you on your set. The fact that it's what you wrote should be enough if you aren't able to get it down perfectly/in the alotted time to finish a recording. Major points to Haake for being such a good sport. Also, the fact that he can actually play the stuff live with nearly surgical precision...hats off to him.
Also, while I know in the modern day of recording you can punch-in/out with anything, Catch 33 is still one long song that's only chopped up for CD player's sake. Either way it's just a ton of stuff to learn and let alone play, being polyrhythmic, all the way through. However, I did catch them live and they played what would be 4 "songs" off of Catch 33 and Haake played it all perfectly, so Haake gets mad props for that, and I would also mention the fact that he played all the other stuff on the set list that night spot on.
Haake and Agren have to be one of the craziest drummers I've ever seen simply for the polyrhythmic playing. It takes a LOT of practice to nail that stuff since it's such odd timing. I know because my drummer friend that can play allllll kinds of shit by Nick Barker/Hellhammer/Roddy/Etc. but has been unable to do more elaborate polyrhythmic even after months of practice. A simple quote from the aforementioned friend on playing polyrhythmic stuff: "it's just really fucking wierd."
~e.a
Benny H
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Sweetnothing
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Are you sure? C33 is proven to be dfhs, but from what I've read nothing is dfhs too, maybe that page layout is confusing...Benny H said:
If it is, sorry
but I think I've read about it before
CJWall
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Sweetnothing said:Are you sure? C33 is proven to be dfhs, but from what I've read nothing is dfhs too, maybe that page layout is confusing...
If it is, sorry
Catch33 is entirely DFHS and as far as I know, the only album by Meshuggah with programmed drums. 'Nothing' is all Haake, as is the 'I' EP.
BTW, the 'shug are re-mixing and re-releasing nothing!! I believe it's dropping Oct.31 or there about.
Re-recorded guitars, two songs are even sloooower as well. !!
Charlie
